How did Hoffman not win the oscar?
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DontBogartMe — 11 years ago(February 18, 2015 05:12 PM)
I've come to appreciate Wayne's performance more each year especially after the remake which was a good movie in its own right. JW caught the right balance between humor and pathos, civility and harshness. Hoffman was fine as well but bordered on "look at me I'm acting."
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debmorganmeyers — 11 years ago(February 16, 2015 10:01 PM)
I was thinking the very same thing: How is that Hoffman didn't win an Oscar for this performance. Voight was incredible as well. Can you believe that John Wayne won the Oscar that year for True Grit. Talk about true grit, Midnight Cowboy had is hands down. I've watched this film about a half dozen times and I am always moved by these two characters. Tonight I saw a lot of negative comments about how lousy this film is..some said they just don't get it. To to be able to bring such desperation to the screen - to see deeply into the souls of two unforgettable charactersfor those who said they just don't gettoo bad for you for missing all the hope and wonder the human spirit can offer.
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rascal67 — 11 years ago(February 17, 2015 01:24 AM)
Can you believe that John Wayne won the Oscar that year for True Grit.
You could say it was unfortunate for Hoffman, that Wayne was in the running for actor for 69'. Wayne still gave an excellent and worthy performance, in a film I find just as enjoyable; but for different reasons. Can't comment on Burton's or O'Toole's performance and since I don't really like them, I probably wouldn't rate them. I would have honored a win for either Hoffman, Voight or Wayne and we don't know if Hoffman was runner up.
MIDNIGHT COWBOY, was lucky to walk off with the 3 majors that it did, considering it's controversial subject matter at the time and I am pleased that academy voters showed some integrity here. -
spookyrat1 — 11 years ago(March 09, 2015 03:29 AM)
I don't begrudge the Duke his Oscar, as many feel he should have received an earlier gong for The Searchers. But Dustin's Ratso is just a wonderfully compelling, tragi-comic role. At the same time I think he was lucky to win for Kramer vs Kramer a decade later. I don't think he would, or should complain.
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DontBogartMe — 11 years ago(March 09, 2015 05:59 PM)
Hoffman could very easily have won for Midnight Cowboy.
But the last time I was torqued off with the Oscars was West Side Story winning for Best Picture over my choice, The Guns of Nsvarone. But then I turned 13. -
jrl0726 — 11 years ago(March 12, 2015 08:54 AM)
It was a case of Hoffman and Voight delivering the greatest double lead performances ever and they split the vote between them. Add that to the fact that Wayne was at the end of his career and you have an impossible situation. Considering the film's subject matter and it being rated X at first, it's amazing it did so well with nominations. But, that was because it was so well done in every aspect that the film had to get some acclaim from the academy.
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spookyrat1 — 11 years ago(March 13, 2015 03:32 PM)
It was a case of Hoffman and Voight delivering the greatest double lead performances ever and they split the vote between them. Add that to the fact that Wayne was at the end of his career and you have an impossible situation.
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janet-conant — 11 years ago(March 16, 2015 04:59 PM)
Hoffman was brilliant playing Ratso and he's no fool, making sure his next role was the exact opposite of Benjamin Braddock. To get the part he showed up on the NY streets panhandling and scruffy so Schlesinger could see his potential. I love this film and believe it's the only time two actors are nominated in the same category and mention another nominee in their film. "No one is buying that cowboy crap. John Wayne are you trying to say
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atomicpunk40 — 10 years ago(May 02, 2015 08:33 AM)
I have heard that while he was indeed grateful for his win, the Duke himself thought that Hoffman's role was wizard and wondered if the Academy goofed and gave the Best Actor Oscar to the wrong performer!
I don't apologize. I'm sorry, but that's how I am. - Homer Simpson -
rascal67 — 10 years ago(July 04, 2015 06:48 PM)
Did Hoffman have an edge over Voight? That appears to be general consensus; but Voight had the less showy role and was a warmer, more relatable character. It may have also been harder to pull of the layers and illicit the sympathy he did. Voight had his good looks to help; but was also expressive and his face was full of nuance and emotion. He could be read like a book and I think he really understood Joe Buck. We may have sympathized with Ratso's ill health; but his characternah! Sometimes, I think I am laughing at Ratso and not with him and that is more due to the 'acting' performance of Hoffman. Voight, was more real.
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I_Love_Hutch — 10 years ago(July 09, 2015 04:33 PM)
Rascal I love Jon Voight in this role. And I'm so pleased that you found Joe Buck to be warm and easy to relate to. So did I!!! Joe was the one I thought especially needed protection and love; the book goes more into his character. It really is kind of a sad tale. But Ratso was already pretty set in his ways.
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koko-10 — 10 years ago(July 10, 2015 12:16 PM)
If that competition were today, Hoffman would probably win, because it seems the acting Oscars have lately gone to those who portray physically or mentally damaged characters.
Looks like I picked the wrong week to quit sniffing glue. -
rascal67 — 10 years ago(July 31, 2015 08:27 PM)
One of few valid points you have made of late IY and I hadn't thought to follow up on that. Hoffman won some international awards, likely after the fact; but no major precursor Oscar awards for a win, only second\third place.
Voight may have had an edge over Hoffman and it would be interesting to know who came in second. I have no gripe with Wayne's win and Burtonwhom I am not a fan ofcould have been a close second, due to his popularity and loss a few years earlier.