Cromwell's Grave
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Cromwell
ArtVandelay_Architect — 19 years ago(April 03, 2007 12:51 AM)
I spat on his alleged "grave" at Westminster, despite the fact his body was torn apart and lies who knows where. I did it for symbolic value. I only wish I could've done in his face in person.
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Alicorne13 — 18 years ago(August 03, 2007 12:45 PM)
Such intelligent comments, and wonderful spelling too!
Personally, I'm shocked anyone would want to make a movie of Cromwell. (Even more shocked that I first heard of it in a list of movies about "honorable figures" in history.) He was not a nice man. And no, I am not Irish, Catholic, or even descended from the Irish, but I do know enough of historical facts to know they have reason to dislike him. -
NForest — 18 years ago(September 03, 2007 10:40 AM)
There have been movies about Caligula, Hitler, Idi Amin, Henry VIII, Custerit's not that shocking reallyis it? Cromwell played an important role in setting up Parliamentary Democracy and moving us on from Absolute Monarchy. He ruled as many did at that particularly cheerless time. I've no doubt the Irish would have a problem with him, and the film is extremely flawed, but you can't NOT make a film because a lot of people might not agree with his politics. I mean, that Charles I's hair was too long for a start
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pudgiesop — 18 years ago(October 05, 2007 10:59 PM)
I'm really quite horrified at what I read above, spitting one graves and such. This name calling that the other side of the argument has engaged in is also quite shameful, no need for it. The facts are that Cromwell was not a nice human being and did commit many atrocities in Ireland, as did many other British rulers before and after him. I for one think that a movie about Cromwell is a good thing (although a more historically accurate film would be nice) because this man, given all his faults was both a fascinating and important figure in British history. Anyway getting back to the point I made earlier, this carrying of grudges needs to cease, continued animosity between the British and Irish, Catholic and Protestant has to end somewhere. This has been going on for hundreds of years and where has it gotten both sides? No where. Ireland is partitioned and the conflict is as bitter as ever. What I may suggest is not disrememberence of the past but the ability to look and one another and decide to move on. Specifically regarding the Irish War of Independence and following Civil war, terrible things were done on both sides. If things are to get better in Ireland and if there is to be a true chance for complete Irish independence, there first must be a cease in the violence in the north and a mutual effort for healing by catholic and Protestant alike. Some will call me a dreamer and possible a damned fool but a united Ireland where Catholics and Protestants have an equal say in government and live side by side in peace shouldn't have to be a dream, it should have been something that happened in 1922 and many times since them. So in conclusion, a little less hate and a little more understanding and respecting of one another would go a remarkably long way to making this world a better place.
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g-of-warks2-1 — 12 years ago(June 29, 2013 09:00 AM)
Could not have put it better myself, pudgiesop. As for Cromwell's grave, after the Restoration it was decided that his corpse, along with Henry Ireton's and someone elses who I cannot remember, was to be disinterred and hung, drawn and quartered. The headless corpses were buried on the spot (at Tyburn, I think)whilst Cromwell's head was placed on a spike. Apparently it blew down during a storm in Queen Anne's time where a sentry retrieved it and took it home. After various changes of hand it ended up back in the Cromwell family. It is now buried at a secret location in the grounds of Cambridge University.
There were some roadworks around Tyburn (or wherever it was) back in the nineteenth century. Three headless, human skeletons were found, but were chucked back into the hole when they relaid the road.
Cromwell's corpse was stored at a location the night before his "execution". There were rumours that it was spirited away and buried at another location(Marston Moor maybe) and that another corpse was put in its place. Unlikely though.
Apparently one of Cromwell's female relatives was at Charles II's court when one of the other courtiers made a remark to her about how he had been to the execution and how badly Cromwell's corpse stank. She fired back a quip saying that is as maybe, but he probably still smelt better than the other courtier!