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    jdavisjdavis — 18 years ago(December 27, 2007 11:45 AM)

    I heard a remake of this song on the radio and it finally led me here. Very nice analysis. The "sword of time" metaphor is particularly powerful in my opinion.

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      dadoo4050 — 18 years ago(December 27, 2007 12:42 PM)

      Was the re-make by "Manic Street Preachers"? If so, that is a kick-ass (really good) version.
      I am putting together a video of clips and stills from our recent stage production of MAS*H, and I am using that version for the music track.
      "uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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        JasonIK75 — 9 years ago(September 20, 2016 06:55 PM)

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        One must remember that the lyrics were written by a teenager. It has been my experience (I am an English teacher, and have taught "creative writing" as well as traditional literature and grammar courses) that teens tend to deal with dark topics. "Teen angst" is, indeed, an appropriate term.
        Reportedly, Robert Altman wanted the lyrics to be "meaningless." Instead, we got a sad, moving song about death and futility that has endured and people still listen to 40+ years later. Springtime for Hitler indeed (
        http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/SpringtimeForHitler
        ).
        "May the Force be with you."

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          dadoo4050 — 18 years ago(August 16, 2007 06:32 AM)

          The game of life is hard to play
          I'm gonna lose it anyway
          The losing card I'll someday lay
          so this is all I have to say.
          This stanza is really simplebut a nice use of extended metaphor. (Metaphor=implied comparison [not using the words "like" or "as"].) The comparison is obviouslife is like a game that cannot be won, as no matter how we play it, it ultimately ends in death. The "losing card" is another reference to suicide as it is the ACT of laying this card that ends the game.
          This extended metaphor continues into the next stanza.
          Verse structure: quatrain
          Rhyme scheme: AAAA
          Rhythm: Iambic quatrameter (the GAME of LIFE is HARD to PLAY)
          "uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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            rexb-2 — 17 years ago(June 26, 2008 11:45 AM)

            The "losing card" is the inevitability of death that comes too all. So suicide is considered an alternative. To cheat death of playing the card "for" us, suicide is chosen as the alternative that puts the play in our own hands. But since that is self-murder it is no option. How could it be true that we could cheat "inevitable death" by taking our own life earlier? That doesn't even make sense. It would be like saying "to keep someone from taking my money in high taxes when I die, I'm going to burn all of my money now and show them!!" How stupid.
            Ecclesiates 2:14 The wise man's eyes are in his head; but the fool walketh in darkness: and I myself perceived also that
            one event happeneth to them all
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            Ecclesiates 6:6 Yea, though he live a thousand years twice told, yet hath he seen no good:
            do not all go to one place?
            Ecclesiates 7:1-2 A good name is better than precious ointment; and the day of death than the day of one's birth. '2' It is better to go to the house of mourning, than to go to the house of feasting:
            for that is the end of all men;
            and the living will lay it to his heart.
            Ecclesiates 9:5
            For the living know that they shall die
            : but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. '6' Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

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              laustcawz-789-925423 — 15 years ago(November 18, 2010 12:27 AM)

              I think the point is that taking your own life (or putting your own life in danger [such as in war]) means you retain some degree of control of the choice or situation, instead of having death just happen randomly. Some other good examples of this idea in movies are "Whose Life Is It Anyway?" (1981), "'night, Mother" (1986)based on a Pulitzer Prize-winning play & "Short Time" (1990). It's not death that's being "cheated" so much as the fear of it.

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                shieldsdraeger — 9 years ago(January 14, 2017 05:56 PM)

                The point of the refrain is choice, the option to choose how you die. This is, of
                course, contrary to religious doctrine which is why it's so subversive. Very much
                in the spirit of the film.

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                  dadoo4050 — 18 years ago(August 16, 2007 06:40 AM)

                  A brave man once requested me
                  to answer questions that are key
                  is it to be or not to be
                  and I replied 'oh why ask me?'
                  Another simple stanza, but interesting in that it uses allusion (allusion=referencing an earlier work or historical event). The obvious allusion here is to "Hamlet." Young Altman tops the Dane's despair ("to be, or not to be?") with an even gloomier statement of futility ("oh, why ask me?").
                  "uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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                    Warhol_Soup — 18 years ago(November 30, 2007 05:30 PM)

                    I always figured the lyrics were meant to be taken as a bit over the top. Kinda absurd. I've never seen it as other than what was supposed to be a bit of dark comedy where the guy singing was probably doing so with a big smile because he understood the context. I could be dead wrong, but tone can throw any reading of lyrics on its head.

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                      hoobler878 — 18 years ago(August 16, 2007 12:38 PM)

                      I stand corrected.

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                        2001-4 — 18 years ago(August 17, 2007 05:00 PM)

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                            dadoo4050 — 18 years ago(August 18, 2007 04:29 AM)

                            Thanks, Hoobler. You'd be most welcome in my class.
                            "uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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                              2001-4 — 18 years ago(August 26, 2007 12:23 PM)

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                                dadoo4050 — 18 years ago(August 26, 2007 03:35 PM)

                                And you, too, 2001-4, would be welcome in my class. You recognize that the lyrics are not meaningless, as indicated by your earlier post. That you do not find the mechanics of poetry engaging is OK with me; I would welcome your input as to interpretation. I am sure that you can liven things up.
                                A warning, though: in my class, a student is never allowed to use the word "boring" to critique a work they do not find engaging. Unless, of course, he or she goes on to explain just why the piece is boring.
                                "uva uvam vivendo varia fit"

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                                  dirtylittletaru — 18 years ago(September 01, 2007 01:13 AM)

                                  I found your posts very interesting, though I always thought the lyrics were easily interpreted.

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                                    2001-4 — 18 years ago(September 09, 2007 07:27 PM)

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                                        Mmm_Vampires — 18 years ago(December 05, 2007 12:28 PM)

                                        I thought the lyrics to the opening were brilliant. Did they use them for the TV series as well?
                                        "And listen to the music of the night"
                                        Phantom of the Opera, 2004

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                                          midnitelamp — 18 years ago(December 09, 2007 03:18 AM)

                                          the folks in my office are so young they did not know the song had words.
                                          i bought the sound track to the movie,and the song expands as it is done different ways,orcestrated and reprise. highly recommended.

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