'I've come for you Margaret'
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kurtangle83 — 12 years ago(March 01, 2014 04:06 PM)
Might be true from a in-movie/script reason. But I think the real reason she kept her panties on in that scene was so they didn't accidentally show her snatch and could keep the scene without redoing it or editing it which would have lost its "power".
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cuirophile — 14 years ago(February 14, 2012 06:25 PM)
Poor Margaret, I think she hopes on hope that the "worst" Carter is going to do is to rape (and not kill) her. She knows she's had it when he tells her to keep the panties on. She looked great in that PVC coat and imitation leather skirt though!
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g-of-warks2-1 — 14 years ago(March 01, 2012 11:34 AM)
Well said all of you. Glad to see that it is not just me who thought what he did to Margaret was particularly sadistic and nasty. I got the impression that she thought that if she cooperated with Carter she would at least get out of it alive. I thought that it was particularly nasty the cool, almost casual way, that he murders her. This is made worse when you realise that one of the reasons that he murders her is just to drop Kinnear in the crap with the police. Any sympathy that I had with him evaporated after this. Glad that he got shot in the end.
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cjbussey81 — 14 years ago(March 30, 2012 01:56 AM)
He had more than one reason to do her in. First, she was involved with the porn film Doreen was coerced into. Strike one. Then she told Gerald and Sid's goons he would meet her on the bridge, where they showed up to attempt his capture. Strike two. In the end, he just believed that she was a trashy little whore who'd been part of his family's being fvcked over and presented the perfect opportunity to frame kinnear up in the process. Yes, his killing of her was brutal and cold, but she deserved it. You don't piss off Jack Carter and live to brag about it.
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g-of-warks2-1 — 14 years ago(April 01, 2012 05:45 AM)
I agree with you in that she was not a very nice person who had caused his family a lot of undeserved grief. So I think that Carter was quite entitled to get his own back. Such as informing the police (which he did when he sent that film to Scotland Yard)and dropping her in the crap with them. However I still think that she did not deserve to be murdered. Think the moral of the story is do not get involved with the underworld in the first place! As you say their vengeance tends to be somewhat over the top.
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ohhmyy — 13 years ago(April 11, 2012 11:26 PM)
Just saw this on TCM with Anthony Bourdain presenting it as one of his personal favorites - an interesting film.
Carter was already an intensely violent man on a mission of vengeance over his brother's death to begin with;
seeing the porn film of his niece sent him over the edge into a frenzy. After the funeral he had asked whether
Margaret would be looking after his niece now that his brother was gone; Carter seemed to feel that she and his
niece got along well and that Margaret functioned - if not as a mother - at least as an older, protective sister
to the young girl. The realization that Margaret had in fact drawn his niece into the world of snuff porn, which
in turn led directly to his brother's murder, and tried to set Carter up for an ambush at the bridge rendezvous
was one betrayal too many for him. It's also alluded to that he may in fact be the young girls father; a sense
of guilt over the long ago betrayal of his own brother and his failure to look after what might have been his
own daughter fueled a seething rage in Carter that left no room for mercy, pity, or forgiveness - his vengeance
was fueled both by the actions of those who had harmed his family and by his own creeping suspicion that he had
failed to look after them himself, with devastating consequences. In that light it seems only proper that
Carter's life too is forfeit in the end - everyone shares some guilt, and they all come to ruin. A dark and
provocative tale, and the kind of gritty, morally ambiguous film you don't see made anymore. -
dwillsxbr — 13 years ago(April 12, 2012 02:16 PM)
Anthony Bourdain on TCM gave this film such a big review I was expecting something out of this world and I barley made it past the first hour. What a bore fest the first half was. I don't think there was any action until the 50 min point. It would have been better if TCM had just done their usual short send off. Anthony Bourdain meant well but damn I was like what movie was he talking about and the bad guys are all so well behaved and spoken.
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PhoenixNails — 10 years ago(February 03, 2016 11:06 PM)
"No action until the 50 min point"
Bwahahahaha.
Yep. You enjoy those action-packed Fast & Furious, Transformers, GI Joe, etc.
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patpatterson — 13 years ago(May 29, 2012 10:29 PM)
"He had more than one reason to do her in. First, she was involved with the porn film Doreen was coerced into. Strike one".
So was Glenda but she only got a beating from Carter iirc.Anyway unless she forced Doreen into doing the film she didn't deserve to die for just being involved in the film.
"Then she told Gerald and Sid's goons he would meet her on the bridge, where they showed up to attempt his capture. Strike two".
Most likely she was being coerced into cooperating with them.Carter doesn't seem to make any allowance for this.
"Yes, his killing of her was brutal and cold, but she deserved it."
I don't think the reasons you have given are strong enough to say she deserved to die.She was just a hooker at the end of the day and not a sinister gangster.And you and others have pointed out Carter may have killed her just to try and frame Kinnear so he probably didn't care whether she deserved it or not and that makes him a scumbag. -
carthur27 — 13 years ago(August 05, 2012 03:40 PM)
"So was Glenda but she only got a beating from Carter iirc.Anyway unless she forced Doreen into doing the film she didn't deserve to die for just being involved in the film."
Didn't Jack Carter lock Glenda in the boot of the car which was knocked off the docks by his adversaries into the water where she presumably drowns? If so, circumstances led to her death before we find-out what Carter ultimately planned for Glenda. -
jh66 — 13 years ago(October 25, 2012 03:28 PM)
Margaret was a cheap slag co-starring in seedy porn flicks and screwing Frank Carter behind her hubby's back and flitting from fella to fella. She even said defensively on the Iron Bridge to a mocking Carter "Look, I can't help what I am".
She knew that Jack knew her role in the death of Frank, and knew that she was a dead whore along with many others.
Demeaning and killing everyone was Jack's sarcastic (and psychotic) way of pissing on the town he hated coming back to ("This stinking craphouse").