Did Hawk and Trap ever see each other again?
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louiseculmer — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 09:52 PM)
i think the system must be different in America than it is in the UK. Here, you decide while at medical school what route you want to take, whether to tran as a GP, or specialise (as in surgery or something else). The training to be a surgeon is longer and different from the training to be a GP. Someone who had trained as a surgeon would presumably be used to dealing with life threatening situations before going to war. And certainly in the 50s, being a surgeon had more prestige than being a GP.
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indy_go_blue44 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 11:11 PM)
It sounds like the procedure is the same.
To get an MD in the US, you have 4 years of school taking courses to prepare you for medical school (there's no such degree as pre-med; it's usually a BS in chemistry or some other science degree.
Then its 4 years of med school for a doctorate in medicine.
Then it's usually another minimum 2 years for a general surgery specialty, even more if you're specializing in neurosurgery, cardiovascular, etc. During the training period, doctors are usually said to be in a residency.
So a GP couldn't be trained in a few months to be a surgeon. Remember that in S4.1 when BJ talked about being drafted he had just completed his residency. -
BiffGG — 9 years ago(December 21, 2016 06:04 AM)
Normally that is true but I have read that for the Korean War there were a fair number of converted doctors such as dentists who were trained in some aspects of surgery. I think this is where Frank's inadequacy in OR originates from. Frank was probably alright for very basic procedures but anything sophisticated forget it. And it did not help that Frank was trying to impress superior officers so he no doubt attempted procedures that he should have had no part in. I don't recall Pierce's every credential spelled out for the series so it is possible that he was not fully trained or practiced in every surgical procedure. It's been a while since I watched the first few seasons in their entirety but I thought the only true chest cutters by education were Blake and MacIntyre.
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indy_go_blue44 — 9 years ago(December 22, 2016 01:04 PM)
You're probably right; I hadn't thought about the need for surgeons overriding their qualifications in an emergency situation.
Re your last line: Trapper was the "chest cutter" in the movie; the series pulled that from him in S1 "Dear Dad." Hawk was dressed as Santa when the call came in about a wounded soldier pinned down in a foxhole. The dialogue went something like this.
Henry: [explained the situation described above] I need a volunteer.
Trapper: I'll go.
Henry: No, it'd better be Pierce, he's a chest man.
One more piece of gonad clipped away from poor Trapper/Wayne Rogers. -
crypticanomaly73 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 05:25 PM)
As Biff mentions Hawk did always give the impression he wanted a simpler life, also he could still use his surgery skills as a GP in emergency cases where possible. I think after the war Pierce would have dropped right back and would have become reclusive.
Sometimes a movie or tv show plot is so stupid that only the stupid can understand it. -
indy_go_blue44 — 9 years ago(December 20, 2016 11:17 PM)
TV MASH tried to sue Trapper John on copyright and trademark issues; TJ won because they were able to prove its TJ was based on the book and the movie, not the TV show (which may be a reason why the part was never offered to Wayne Rogers.)
That might have been an incentive not to have any of the other MASH characters show up, plus if Hawkeye had shown up it wouldn't have been Alan Alda.
It's possible they might have seen each other again; we'll never know I guess. Based on proximity, it's more likely he'd have seen Charles at some point.
Possibly Henry and Frank, who lived about the same distance apart as Hawk and Charles, would have seen each other again as well. -
wordsatplaytoday — 9 years ago(December 21, 2016 10:29 AM)
(which may be a reason why the part was never offered to Wayne Rogers.)
Or maybe because Wayne wouldn't have been interested or maybe because he wouldn't have looked like he aged all that much?
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flyerzzrul — 9 years ago(January 03, 2017 09:23 PM)
which may be a reason why the part was never offered to Wayne Rogers
It was offered to Rogers, he turned it down
Possibly Henry and Frank, who lived about the same distance apart as Hawk and Charles, would have seen each other again as well.
That would have been tough since Henry's chopper was shot down after leaving the 4077 and he didn't survive -
couchpotato67 — 9 years ago(February 01, 2017 12:57 PM)
This was long before the e-mail and the internet, so keeping up with someone across the country is much harder than it is today. Even a simple phone call would have been expensive while today you can call as often as you like on a cell phone for one monthly charge.
While Hawkeye and Charles didn't live that far apart, I doubt they stayed in touch, either. I can't see Charles making an effort to drive up to Maine to see him. If Hawkeye happened to be in Boston, he might meet Charles for lunch or visit his office, but I can't see him spending a weekend at the Winchester estate. -
wordsatplaytoday — 9 years ago(February 02, 2017 08:37 AM)
While Hawkeye and Charles didn't live that far apart, I doubt they stayed in touch, either. I can't see Charles making an effort to drive up to Maine to see him. If Hawkeye happened to be in Boston, he might meet Charles for lunch or visit his office, but I can't see him spending a weekend at the Winchester estate.
I doubt Charles was the type to go out of his way to see anyone.
No.
They go and see him.
Water seeks it's own level so he is going to be in company with other rich Harvard graduates and other upper crust snobs of the top 1%.
As for Hawkeye visiting Charles?
I doubt that as well.
Even if he did try, it would probably go something like this:
Hawk: Hello? Charles?
Winchester: Yes? Who is this?
Hawk: Dr. Pierce.
Wn: Dr. Pierce? I'm sorry. I'm afraid I don't know you and why you are calling me.
Hawk: Oh, you know. Hawkeye. From Korea?
Win: (Feigning surprise.) Hawk Hawkeye? Oh yes. Now I remember you. Yes, you are that swine who would very often pull your childish jokes on me for your own juvenile amusement while using me as the unsuspecting target just to satisfy any respite from the boredom.
Hawk: (Sounding smug and with a look of the cat who just swallowed the canary.) That would be me!
Win: So, uh, what can I do for you Dr. Pierce. Are you calling upon me for my medical expertise with a difficult case you cannot solve? I would understand and be glad to help you in your time of need to relieve your patient from any suffering that he or she might be going through.
Hawk: Um, no Charles. I just happen to be planning on attending a medical conference that is taking place in Boston next week and was just calling to see if you and I can get together for a friendly drink just to, um, you know reminisce for old time's sake.
Click
Hawk: Hel Hello? Charles? Are you still there? Hello?
(To himself.) I guess he hung up on me. Why would he do a thing like that?
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