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Jasons_Argonaut — 17 years ago(August 04, 2008 05:26 PM)
Thanks for your very well presented thought, hanfuzzy! I like the idea that this creaturewhatever it may be, inspired the ideas of the devil that seem to permeate various religions. We had already came to this conclusion earlier in the thread, but I think it is the best outcome and one that pretty much satisfies everyone. Thanks again for your post!
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TheSomberlain — 17 years ago(January 23, 2009 01:07 AM)
Toward the end of the film, if I recall correctly, the creature, in the form of Father Pujardov, refers to himself as "one of the fallen," which would seem to me to mean that he was not Satan, but one of the many lesser angels who rebelled with Satan against God in biblical lore. This might explain why he did not have the type of great influence traditionally ascribed to Satan himself.
When he tries to portray himself as an alien to Dr. Saxton, my inclination is to think that he is attempting to manipulate Saxton into thinking that he could be valuable to science and that sparing him for such a purpose could give Saxton the glory as a discoverer that was denied to him when the creature was released. I took it as though the Pujardov monster is trying to speak to Saxton in a language that he understands, with that language being science. -
lauriescreams — 14 years ago(April 15, 2011 05:48 AM)
You recall incorrectly. The creature says that it was a form of energy that visited Earth with others of its kind but was left behind by accident. That said, the entity is addressing a man of science, so one could speculate that the creature was lying in order to tempt him with "secrets of science."
But I find arguments for the creature being extra-terrestrial much more convincing.
For me, the greatest argument to the entity being extra-terrestrial and not satanic is the fact that it says to the monk: "There is nothing in your head of any use." To the entity, the monk's metaphysical babble is not worth the effort of sucking out of his head. It goes after thieves, spies, and most of all, scientists - it even asks one if it is possible to conquer gravity. When the scientist replies that it is theoretically possible and mentions a mentor who has ideas about rockets, it sucks him dry. This makes me think that the entity is an extra-terrestrial ultimate goal is simply to find its way back home. -
!!!deleted!!! (1688273) — 14 years ago(April 25, 2011 07:05 AM)
The creature has nothing but time and could prey upon more victims for another century (or longer) to get what he wants. He must have seen the potential that the industrial age offered him, compared with the millennia of slumming in small vertebrates in the prehistoric ages. For all his cunning, the creature did not have much technical expertise; he reminded me of a person who wants to drive an exotic sports car but has little idea of how it works. But he is willing to "learn".
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Jasons_Argonaut — 14 years ago(December 29, 2011 07:26 PM)
All very fascinating ideas. The creature was not "Satan". It would be seen as that from a religious point of view. It is a creature trying to gain knowledge to return to whether it came from, in "Hell", "Space", or wherever it was supposed to come from.
The film does have the idea of "Satan trying to get back into Heaven", though. And is stopped when sent "back into the flames".
Hmmm, very religious symbolism.
Oh yes, it has very heavy religious symbolism and that is what makes it such a fascinating topic to discuss and debate. Did you read the conclusions we came to earlier in the thread that, since this alien had been around since the beginning of time on Earth, that it or those like it may have possibly been a part of what inspired religion altogether? Purjardov mentions that it arrived here with others, and that is all we really know. It was left behind accidentally (so it says), but what if it was really left behind on purpose? What if the others were, for lack of a better descriptor, good, while this one was, for lack of a better descriptor, evil? It sort of reminds me of the episode of Star Trek The Next Generation,
"Skin of Evil"
where a race of creatures of light cast off their bad elements and left it behind on a planet. What if the other aliens Purjardov mentions were the ones who inspired the ideas of god, and the legend of this one served as the inspiration for Satan? Yes, I am just throwing ideas out there, but it's fun to think about none the less! -
syndicate-7 — 13 years ago(June 06, 2012 07:07 PM)
to answer your question:
saxton: "who are you?"
pujardov: "in words it is difficult :"
i am a form of energy: occupying this shell.
saxton: where do you come from?
pujardov:
another galaxy. i came with others like myself. i was left behind: an accident..
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Jasons_Argonaut — 13 years ago(June 08, 2012 08:28 PM)
As I already clearly stated in my OP,
Naturally, the scientific Dr. Saxton theorizes that it is a creature from another world who inhabits human "host" bodies, one who visited many ages ago and survived being buried till present day 1906 (the film's setting). Dr. Saxton revealed his theory to the Inspector after he was possessed by the being, thus it makes perfect sense that the creature would play on this notion in an attempt to get Dr. Saxton to let it go.
See, your effort, while a quote from the film, really adds nothing to the question I asked since I covered this already. So in a sense, you didn't answer my question at all. -
syndicate-7 — 13 years ago(October 31, 2012 07:53 PM)
could it be, that you're the product of
- inbreeding
- living & dwelling your entire life in the generational trailerpark of where you now reside, not making you capable, of [simple] comprehension & intelligence?. those traits, being bred out of you?
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syndicate-7 — 11 years ago(November 14, 2014 04:11 PM)
YOU WOULD HAVE TO BE AS STUPID AS SKUNK beep TO NOT UNDERSTAND "THAT" IS THE REPLY TO YOUR QUESTION.. I TAKE IT THAT YOUR SISTER'S UMBILICAL CORD STRANGLED YOU SO MUCH BEFORE YOUR WAY OUT, INTELLIGENCE, JUST ISN'T ONE OF YOUR STRONG SUITS?
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Sarpedon99 — 10 years ago(February 05, 2016 11:40 AM)
The ability to transfer one's consciousness into another being is not consistent with the scientific view of material reality, and is suggestive more of the realm of the paranormal or spiritualfor what it's worth.
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syndicate-7 — 10 years ago(February 05, 2016 03:52 PM)
ONE MORE TIME:
- PUJARDOV: "IT WOULD BE A MISTAKE TO KILL ME"
- LORD ALEXANDER SAXTON: "WHAT ARE YOU?"..
- PUJARDOV: "IN WORDS IT IS DIFFICULT; I AM A FORM OF ENERGY, OCCUPYING THIS SHELL.
- LORD ALEXANDER SAXTON: "WHERE DO YOU COME FROM?:.
- PUJARDOV: . "ANOTHER GALAXY.. I CAME WITH OTHERS LIKE MYSELF.. I WAS LEFT BEHIND; AN ACCIDENT!. SINCE THEN, I HAVE SURVIVED IN FISH, VERTEBRAEDS, PROTOZOA THE HISTORY OF YOUR PLANET, IS A PART OF ME.. PULL THE TRIGGER, AND YOU WILL END IT..
- LORD ALEXANDER SAXTON: "WHAT AM I TO DO WITH YOU?"..
- PUJARDOV: "LET ME GO!"
- LORD ALEXANDER SAXTON: "THAT'S NOT POSSIBLE"
*PUJARDOV: "IT IS POSSIBLE!!!! I CAN TEACH YOU HOW TO END, HUNGER, DISEASE, FAMINE!!!!" [LORD ALEXANDER SAXTON SAY "NO", AT THIS POINT, AND POINTS MISTER GUN BARREL, AT THE POSSESSED PUJARDOV, AND PUJARDOV SAYS] "WAIT!!.. THERE IS SOMETHING MORE".[PUJARDOV, THEN GOES INTO A HYPNOTIC TRANCE, AWAKING ALL OF THE DEAD MEN HE KILLED, TO AID HIM, AT THIS POINT]
SO WHAT POINT OF
"ALIEN", ARE YOU TOO
STUPID TO GET
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Sarpedon99 — 10 years ago(February 19, 2016 10:03 AM)
Quite simply he could have been lying knowing that such scientific sounding tripe was bound to hold the professor's interest. Given the character of the creature as it is portrayed in the film, what is there that would suggest to you that it is given to honesty?? Besides what type of alien have you seen that can raise an army of dead men to do it's bidding? Obviously the creature's power falls under what most would call the supernatural or paranormal.
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syndicate-7 — 9 years ago(May 08, 2016 09:20 PM)
BOY, YOU'RE A REAL F\U\C\K\I\N\G\ IDIOT.. YOU GOT YOU'RE ANSWER AND STILL YOU'RE ACTING LIKE A F\U\C\K\T\A\R\D\ MORE SO TO THE POINT; HOW DO YOU EVEN KNOW, IF THIS CREATURE ISN'T LYING? HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT IT DOESN'T HAS TELEKINESIS, OR OTHER WORLDY POWERS, THE LIKES OF WHICH HUMAN BEINGS OF THE ERA, HAVE NEVER SEEN, AND MOVE OBJECTS, EVEN REANIMATE FLESH, AND OR OTHER MATTER?!?!?!?.. YOU JUST WANT TO BELIEVE WHAT YOU WANT, IGNORING ALL ELSE.. SO IT DOESN'T MATTER. GO GET A FRONTAL LOBOTOMY, AND F\U\C\K\ YOURSELF WITH A HOT POKER, DUDE; WHO CARES..