worst line: 'I like rape'
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Jane_Doe01 — 18 years ago(February 21, 2008 08:49 PM)
You have to remember the times. Rape wasn't taken as seriously as it should have been in 1974. It was equated with general horniness, so, at the time, it came across as funny.
You must have a real knack for talking out of your ass. I highly doubt you were around in 1974 either, nor that Mel Brooks regrets that or ANY line he's ever written into a film. -
flyboy152 — 17 years ago(May 30, 2008 01:13 PM)
He's not talking out of his ass. It's only been in the last 20 years or so that rape has been more aggressively prosecuted, that rape victims are much more likely to come forward. Prior to, oh, about the mid-80s, most rapes went unreported, and the victim was usually harassed by the cops, if she was even taken seriously at all.
If the case actually went to trial, the victim was often portrayed as promiscuous even if not. Defense attorneys would routinely insult the victims, and rapists would often get off if it was shown (or sometimes even implied) that the victim had acted, or dressed, provocatively. It was somehow judged OK, sometimes even by women, for a man to rape a woman if she did anything to "lead him on"; "she was asking for it" was often used as a defense, and worked more often than not.
It wasn't only rape. Domestic violence was almost totally ignored by the police, and often the victims were blamed. It took some serious activism by women's groups to change attitudes, and force the system & everyone else to take these crimes seriously. -
longbutter — 15 years ago(February 11, 2011 10:17 AM)
You are absolutely correct about how the cops treated rape victs much of the time. If you can find it, watch the movie length documentary about Tina Brandon (aka the true story of the movie "Boys Don't Cry) it has the actual recording of the Sherriffs interview with her when she reported the rape, and it's disgusting the way they treated her. The sheriff is asking in a mouth breathing way all sorts of specific queries about the exact actions (ie it couldn't just be left at 'they anally raped me' he wants all these unnecessary details) and obviously blames the victim. It is seriously disturbing. It also reminds me of a Mad mag article from about 92 wherein it has a news report detailing a rape, with a pic shown the battered victim, giving her measurements and address and omitting the suspects details to "Protect his rights". I think that is a parody of the exact attitude you describe, and even though I was a kid in the early 80s I can still remember that kind of attitude being prevalent.
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carewser — 17 years ago(July 22, 2008 08:04 PM)
^Well said!
Yeah, rape has nothing to do with sex except for the fact that's what they are DOING! And the fact the guy ejaculates at the end is also a hint it's kind of sexual. While there is an element of power and control to rape, it is still about sex. This is just another example of nonsensical feminist propaganda in an attempt to further denigrate men.
Why should Brooks feel bad about making a joke? The joke worked because it showed how bad the character was which means that rape was obviously considered a heinous act, even back then. -
lostboytx — 17 years ago(February 15, 2009 05:47 PM)
"While there is an element of power and control to rape, it is still about sex. This is just another example of nonsensical feminist propaganda in an attempt to further denigrate men"
The violent aspect of rape is not "nonsensical feminist propaganda". Speaking as a man, and not a pro-feminist one at that, I find your comment to be completely ignorant. Rape is a sexually-driven act of violence. Rapists, especially serial rapists, do not get generall get sexually aroused with anything other than the overpowering nature of a sexual assualt. For the victim, it's not about sex. The idea of being overpowered and violated is bad enough; take into account the fact that rape victims don't know if they'll be killed, and you have a life-altering traumatic event. Perhaps YOU should be raped, and you'll see how close to a sexual encounter it is for you. Rapists are not "men", and they should be removed of their manhood. -
Nagumo2001 — 11 years ago(May 19, 2014 01:48 AM)
No, it wasn't. Rape was used to identify the people who "loved rape" as being base neanderthals, the lowest of the low. Note, the people who loved rape were the bad guys of the film.
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TCall2004 — 15 years ago(November 27, 2010 01:16 PM)
"carewser, every time I think I have met the dumbest person on the internet, someone else comes along to show me just how wrong I am. Today, you were the one"
Second that emotion..he is an insensitive boor. -
rusher-5 — 14 years ago(October 15, 2011 03:17 AM)
Why do you insult carewser, he said nothing wrong
There are different types of rape, so to say Yeah, if we're talking about a "man in a park at night attacking women" then yes, it's more likely that the crime is commited because of that urge to overpower and physically dominate the victim If, for example, it's some drunk highschool or college guy in a party who rapes some girl I seriously doubt that has something more to it than just guy's hormones and general want for sex
Rape is a rape in any case and I don't think in this movie the character wo said he likes to rape was th kind of man who is attacking women at parks during the night he's probably of the sort of those who get drunk in some saloon and then just takes a women with no intention to beat her up or kill after he's raped her. I doubt it has something more to do with than just an urge to have sex.
I doubt that in this case the person would not be able to enjoy sex in any other way than rape the same goes with my previous example about college parties etc. And never once carewser said that people who were raped would enjoy/enjoyed it. He only said something about feminist propaganda that made everyone take up arms
I don't think we should generalize although modern society likes to paint everything black and white and everyone is supposed to have the "politically correct" opinion.