How exactly is nurse Ratched bad?
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digitalboy72 — 9 years ago(October 30, 2016 04:48 PM)
I don't see it, I see a nurse that trying to uphold the rules. She was absolutely right that altering the schedule would result in confusion in the patients who are mentally ill and are used to it.
And after the big party, what was she to do, sweep it under the rug and let them get away with it without repercussions? We love and root for Billy, sure, but she's in a position of authority who has a responsibility to the patients under her charge.
Allowing Billy to have sex with a prostitute on hospital grounds would be shirking her duties and would cost her her job.
I know we're supposed to be on the side of the free spirited McMurphy and the rest of the guys but in reality nurse Ratched ran things the way she needed to. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(October 30, 2016 05:41 PM)
She knew that billy was likely to commit suicide if she told him that, she did it to get back at MacMurphy because she couldn't stand it that he helped Billy. It wasn't about doing her job it was about demeaning people and maintaining her power trip.
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AnthonySocksss — 3 years ago(April 01, 2023 02:45 AM)
Ratched is responsible for causing a patient to kill themselves you goddamn ****ing dumbass
She knew he was a suicide risk and brought up his mother anyway to make him feel bad. Literally the one thing she knew could make him harm himself, and she used it as a threat against him.
That’s literally the opposite of what nurses are supposed to do
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bigbadwolf666 — 3 years ago(April 01, 2023 02:26 AM)
Yea, this it!
And she really stuck it to Mac. There was never any sympathy or redeeming qualities about her. She’s was just a cold bitch and they got that. If she had empathy, I doubt they would’ve gaved a ****. It was just her cold hard demeanour that really got to them.
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christopherhopkins2 — 9 years ago(November 02, 2016 02:49 PM)
I agree. She's a control freak, they blame her. Well she HAS to be in control, right? She actually handles the therapy sessions very calm and soft. Nicholson was VERY anti-autority as well.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(November 03, 2016 04:52 PM)
Exactly she wasn't about helping the patients she was about maintaining control over them and breaking their spirits so that she could feed her own ego. The remark she made to Billy was intended to knock him down and shatter his confidence because she couldn't stand it that Jack had helped him. She knew that he very well may have comitted suicide as a result and she didn't care.
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ToastedCheese — 3 years ago(July 09, 2022 05:37 AM)
She's a control freak, they blame her. Well she HAS to be in control, right? She actually handles the therapy sessions very calm and soft. Nicholson was VERY anti-autority as well.
A control freak in all the wrong ways. It was her own rigidity, inflexibility and personal vendettas that made her unsuitable to be a nurse. There was an undercurrent of a sociopathic and narcissistic nature going on with her, and she also had a sick psyche to go along with it. Cold to the core, she got off on the control and manipulation she held over the male patients in her ward. Ratched does not get an out.
Sure, some rules need to be upheld, but not a subterfuge of personal agendas to appease her egotistical broken mind and be vindictive. McMurphy, was pure fun-loving organic male. He represented everything she despised about his gender. She wanted to sublimate him and break down his spirit like she did with the other patients.
Her k<>t nature was never more apparent, than when she played her psychological mind games on Billy, knowing full well that it would trigger him. This is what set Mac off. That is not professional and emphatic psychological healing and care. Billy's mother was either very stupid, or just another Ratched herself, (they were friends), who very likely created her son's mental disturbance.
I really can't understand how Ratched's wicked nature has to be described to others. It is not that difficult to recognize.
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Cheeky — 3 years ago(July 10, 2022 02:52 PM)
I really can't understand how Ratched's wicked nature has to be described to others. It is not that difficult to recognize.
She's the quintessential villain and Fletcher did a stellar job playing her
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Cheeky — 3 years ago(July 10, 2022 03:04 PM)
Louise enjoyed the scene where Mac throttles her
She was always so pent up while the others got to run wild, I guess it was exhilarating for her to actually cut loose
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GreenGoblinsOckVenom86 — 9 years ago(November 10, 2016 09:16 PM)
I don't think you get it. She didn't want to help anyone. In the first group session she just put Harding on the spot and then allowed everyone to yell at the top of their lungs at him! How the hell does that help anyone!?
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ida96 — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 05:17 PM)
Allowing Billy to have sex with a prostitute on hospital grounds would be shirking her duties and would cost her her job.
By threatening Billy with telling his mother about the incident, Nurse Ratched took the nuclear option. Her threat was completely out of proportion to the situation.
She knew Billy had attempted suicide in the past, yet she used her ace (friendship with Billy's mother) to punish him and bring him under her control. She was directly responsible for his suicide.
Nurse Ratched is part of a broken system that wielded power inappropriately (punitive electroshock therapy; lobotomizing difficult patients). So, yes, Nurse Ratched, as representative of this system, is bad. -
znapper — 9 years ago(February 06, 2017 04:43 AM)
She was bad, in the sense that she ran the ward and by the book.
The wasn't interested in getting patients well, it was her personally run prison-wing.
What about the party?
Yes.sureyou may be pissed, but the guys there are mental-patients, you cannot let your anger out on them, why should you?
A proper reaction would be to clean up, evaluate and secure the wing better, but she lost it completely.
She was not a good nurse, or a caring human, she was, like many in psychiatry, a narcissistic, dominating control-freak, incompetent and forcing her personal view on the world upon her patients instead of helping them. (order on the wing before treatment).
She was pissed-off because McMyrphy threatened her domain, a docile, medicated gang of nutters, who feared her. She went to war, waiting for the right moment to "treat" McMyrphy in the worst way possible; Taking away his mind.
You can still see them today and ironically, often they carry a bible and preach the word of god as well.
Sickening.
The movie is more than this off-course, among other things, it's a critical voice against how psychiatry worked way up until the 80's in most countries, many many patients were lobotomized and drugged out of their minds and ill-treated (and even die in these institutions).
There is also a point to the fact that all of McMyrphy's friends, were there voluntary, they could leave if they wanted to, but the head nurse and drugs had put them into a position where they wanted to stay and needed to stay, even though they really didn't.
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