Psychopath vs Sociopath
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gaumarjos — 9 years ago(December 02, 2016 08:49 AM)
Why are you so aggresive? My point to make its not about been smart,i want to see what others think about this. Now, if someone calls me jerk, i think that i have right to ignore this person,so speak in this manners with someone else.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(December 02, 2016 04:18 PM)
You are the one that started the thread, have been called out on the manner in which you wrote the post and have offered hardly any insight into what your point is. You still haven't done what I asked, and look at the type of responses you are getting. You have brought it on yourself. Give us some more meat, let us know your standing and WHY and then you may get some interesting
although I would doubt reasonable discussion being IMDB
on the subject. What if posters don't know the difference between psychopath or sociopath without doing research and even then, it could be up for contention. It's YOUR thread, an interesting subject, make it work.
Don't eat the whole ones! Those are for the guests. -
gaumarjos — 9 years ago(December 02, 2016 04:57 PM)
OK, better now. In my opinion Nurse Ratched is example of female psychopathy and Mcmurphy male sociopathy. One of the vew points while watching this movie could be this, last time, before starting this thread, i wached it from this angle and it was very interesting experience for me. Wanted to see if anyone else had similar opinion and if not, why not. Thats all.
What is your opinion about this? does it looks like valid hipotethy to you or not? and if not, why not? -
gaumarjos — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 01:03 AM)
Its very important gender differences in personality disorders, symptoms and signs are not same. Its has nothing to do with discrimination based on gender in civil rights.WE do all have the same rights but we have some very obvious differences as well, its important to have this in mind, especially when we talk in medical, phsicological or juridical terms.
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InherentlyYours — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 11:56 AM)
Its very important gender differences in personality disorders, symptoms and signs are not same. Its has nothing to do with discrimination based on gender in civil rights.WE do all have the same rights but we have some very obvious differences as well, its important to have this in mind, especially when we talk in medical, phsicological or juridical terms.
I wasn't remotely thinking in terms of discrimination /civil rights. That's not related. I was referring to this:
'Its very important gender differences in personality disorders, symptoms and signs are not same'
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 02:24 AM)
From my understanding, a psychopath can't help themselves and are they not usually extremely mentally ill themselves? Ratched may not have been a literal murderer; but she was an emotional and soul killer and abused her authority to keep the men on her ward under tight wraps. She discarded their self-worth, rather than encourage them to use it to assist in bettering themselves and instead of letting them find news ways to cope with the trials and tribulations of ordinary life, she pitted them against each other. I think this woman really hated men, and while these men were of no real threat to her
with the exception of Mac who challenged her game
she had control over the thing she resented for whatever reason, and took full advantage of her position. If she was a psychiatric nurse in a female institution, would she have played the same games I wonder? Do I think she was a psychopath. No! I do think she was narcissistic and sociopathic.
Mac was arrogant, brash, a manipulator
although he wasn't holding the best hand here
and full of spirit. He wouldn't be someone I would care to know; but he knew how to enjoy life and he instilled the sense of self-worth in his fellow patients that Ratched denied them. He cared for them in a way that I doubt a sociopath wouldn't. Sure, he might have been out for himself to a certain extent
who isn't
but he seemed to know and understood these men better than the establishment care did. Like he said
"At least I tried".
Ratched wanted them to give up, Mac didn't. I don't think these are the traits of someone who is sociopathic. Mac was just a loser on the outside, once he was contained, he became somewhat of a winner or even anti-hero on the inside. I also don't think he was that sharp. The doctors agreed he wasn't mentally ill, but Ratched somehow convinced them to keep him. She wanted to destroy the man that he was.
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gaumarjos — 9 years ago(December 17, 2016 02:00 AM)
Research suggests that young women who later become psychopaths may look different than young men who later present the same disorder. Specifically, Verona (2006) found that young women who later develop the disorder show a more relational form of aggression characterized by jealousy, self-harm, manipulation, and verbal aggression.
Other research has examined the importance of relational aggression among females, suggesting that women may display aggression differently than their male counterparts. Crick and Grotpeter (1996) studied relational aggression, also known as covert aggression, which is a type of aggression in which harm is caused by damaging someone's relationships or social statusand its different from the type of aggression (typically, physical) that males show each other. Relational aggression tends to be more subtle and manipulative.
It may be that while many male psychopaths act in traditionally aggressive, socially -constructed ways which can eventually lead them to be incarcerated (and evaluated for psychopathy), female psychopaths operate in more nuanced, less overtly physically aggressive ways, though they can ultimately lead to equally destructive outcomes. Think of a seemingly kind older female nurse who cares for a sick man. This woman could well be a psychopath but her presentation as an older woman in a helping profession causes others to see her in a benevolent light. -
gaumarjos — 9 years ago(December 17, 2016 01:50 AM)
Sociopaths tend to be nervous and easily agitated. They are volatile and prone to emotional outbursts, including fits of rage. They are likely to be uneducated and live on the fringes of society, unable to hold down a steady job or stay in one place for very long. It is difficult but not impossible for sociopaths to form attachments with others. Many sociopaths are able to form an attachment to a particular individual or group, although they have no regard for society in general or its rules. In the eyes of others, sociopaths will appear to be very disturbed. Any crimes committed by a sociopath, including murder, will tend to be haphazard, disorganized and spontaneous rather than planned.
Psychopaths, on the other hand, are unable to form emotional attachments or feel real empathy with others, although they often have disarming or even charming personalities. Psychopaths are very manipulative and can easily gain peoples trust. They learn to mimic emotions, despite their inability to actually feel them, and will appear normal to unsuspecting people. Psychopaths are often well educated and hold steady jobs. Some are so good at manipulation and mimicry that they have families and other long-term relationships without those around them ever suspecting their true nature.
When committing crimes, psychopaths carefully plan out every detail in advance and often have contingency plans in place. Unlike their sociopathic counterparts, psychopathic criminals are cool, calm, and meticulous. Their crimes, whether violent or non-violent, will be highly organized and generally offer few clues for authorities to pursue. Intelligent psychopaths make excellent white-collar criminals and "con artists" due to their calm and charismatic natures.