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    MsELLERYqueen2 — 10 years ago(August 23, 2015 09:51 PM)

    Does
    After Hours
    (1980s) count? I saw it a few years ago and it struck me as being neo-noir.

    Jim Hutton (1934-79) & Ellery Queen
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      mgtbltp — 10 years ago(August 24, 2015 03:48 AM)

      Agree about
      After Hours
      , it does have that noir-ish feel if I remember correctly, I'll have to check it out again along with
      Lenny
      .

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        alchrisjacob — 9 years ago(October 15, 2016 06:55 PM)

        One of my absolute favorite neo-noirs.

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          Spikeopath — 10 years ago(August 26, 2015 03:11 PM)

          Point of No Return (1993)
          New Dawn - New Day - New Life.
          Point of No Return
          (AKA:
          The Assassin
          ) is directed by
          John Badham
          and written by
          Robert Getchell
          and
          Alexander Seros
          . It stars
          Bridget Fonda
          ,
          Gabriel Byrne
          ,
          Dermot Mulroney
          ,
          Anne Bancroft
          and
          Harvey Keitel
          . Music is by
          Hans Zimmer
          and cinematography (
          Panavision/Technicolor
          ) by
          Michael Ferris
          and
          Michael Watkins
          .
          When drug addict
          Maggie Hayward
          (
          Fonda
          ) kills a policeman in cold blood, she is promptly sentenced to death by lethal injection. But maybe there is an out? A chance to work for the government?
          Why so serious?
          A remake of
          Luc Besson's
          Nikita (1990)
          , this was always going to suffer the usual remake taunts of why bother? Was it necessary etc?
          Point of No Return
          is a good honest action movie, it has style to burn, nifty photography and likable leading actors. The action is well staged and thrilling - and
          Hong Kongish
          in style, and bubbling away in the writing are themes of identity, absent parents and a delicately off-kilter oedipal angle. The
          Nina Simone
          soundtrack is terrific, while
          Zimmer
          works around
          Nina's
          songs with an aural assuredness that grabs the attention.
          It doesn't push any boundaries, and although it has been noted in some
          neo-noir
          circles, it is only a borderline entry in that style of film making. But if kinetic is a good word for you, and ultra violence gives you a shot in the arm, then
          Bridget
          and her guns are definitely worth a first date at least. 6/10
          The
          Spikeopath

          Hospital Number
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            mgtbltp — 10 years ago(August 28, 2015 07:05 PM)

            A couple of weeks ago I watched
            Criss Cross
            (1949) today I watched
            The Underneath
            (1995) it's a good way to compare Noir with bad Neo Noir. It's almost a shot by shot remake with the chronology shuffled about a bit but boy does the story suffer for the tweaks.. The Steve & Anna characters called Mike & Allison in The Underneath are given more of a backstory. In the post feminist world Anna/Allison is more sympathetic its Mike who has done her wrong in the past piling up gamboling debts and skipping in the night when his luck turns.
            Steve/Mike's policeman friend is now also his brother. His mother is recently re-married to the armored car company employee who gets Mike the job. It really lacks from these changes and the uninteresting color cinematography. The only bright spot was the Dundee character who had a remarkable resemblance to Classic Noir actor Dane Clark. For me its a Crime film that's a
            NIPO
            ,
            N
            oir
            I
            n
            P
            lot
            O
            nly. 6/10

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              retroman2 — 10 years ago(August 29, 2015 06:30 AM)

              I saw
              The Underneath
              and was completely underwhelmed. It comes nowhere near the original, though I suppose for those who have never seen
              CC
              , it might be a passable crime drama.

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                mgtbltp — 10 years ago(August 29, 2015 08:55 AM)

                It does have some low light dark shots in some short sequences but they are just a pittance and not enough to offset the script changes.

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                  Jessica_Rabbit69 — 10 years ago(August 29, 2015 11:33 AM)

                  "NIPO, Noir In Plot Only."
                  On an unrelated note to the film I like that phrase which of course describes Neo-Noir best.
                  Jessica Rabbit
                  "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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                    mgtbltp — 10 years ago(August 30, 2015 02:59 PM)

                    "NIPO, Noir In Plot Only."
                    On an unrelated note to the film I like that phrase which of course describes Neo-Noir best.
                    Well Jess, I'm very visually oriented the so called Neo Noir would have to be extremely twisted to off set it's lack of Noir stylistics. That said these below are either nicely visually styled and twisted, or extremely twisted in a good enough way to make my list.
                    .
                    The
                    True
                    NEO-NOIR LIST (a chronological film list (a work in progress) I just added
                    Blink
                    (1994))
                    Blast Of Silence (1961)
                    Underworld USA (1961)
                    Something Wild (1961)
                    Cape Fear (1962)
                    Experiment In Terror (1962)
                    Satan in High Heels (1962)
                    The Manchurian Candidate (1962)
                    Shock Corridor (1962)
                    Requiem for a Heavyweight (1962)
                    The Naked Kiss (1964)
                    The Pawnbroker (1964)
                    Brainstorm (1965)
                    Once A Thief (1965)
                    Harper (1966)
                    Mr. Buddwing (1966)
                    In Cold Blood (1967)
                    In The Heat Of The Night (1967)
                    Marlowe (1969)
                    The Honeymoon Killers (1970)
                    Shaft (1971)
                    Across 110th Street (1971)
                    The Getaway (1971)
                    Get Carter (1971)
                    Hickey & Boggs (1972)
                    Bring Me The Head Of Alfredo Garcia (1974)
                    The Nickel Ride (1974)
                    The Drowning Pool (1975)
                    Farewell My Lovely (1975)
                    Night Moves (1975)
                    Taxi Driver (1976)
                    Dressed to Kill (1980)
                    Union City (1980)
                    Body Heat (1981)
                    Thief (1981)
                    Blade Runner (1982)
                    Hammett (1982)
                    Blood Simple (1984)
                    To Live and Die in L.A. (1985)
                    Blue Velvet (1986)
                    Angel Heart (1987)
                    Frantic (1988)
                    Kill Me Again (1989)
                    The Grifters (1990)
                    The Kill-Off (1990)
                    The Hot Spot (1990)
                    Wild At Heart (1990)
                    Impulse (1990)
                    Dick Tracy (1990)
                    Delicatessen (1991)
                    Reservoir Dogs (1992)
                    Twin Peaks: Fire Walk with Me (1992)
                    Romeo Is Bleeding (1993)
                    True Romance (1993)
                    The Wrong Man (1993)
                    The Last Seduction (1994)
                    Pulp Fiction (1994)
                    Blink (1994)
                    Se7en (1995)
                    Fargo (1996)
                    Mulholland Falls (1996)
                    Hit Me (1996)
                    Jackie Brown (1997)
                    L.A. Confidential (1997)
                    Lost Highway (1997)
                    This World, Then the Fireworks (1997)
                    Dark City (1998)
                    A Simple Plan (1998)
                    The Big Lebowski (1998)
                    Payback (1999)
                    Night Train (1999)
                    The Man Who Wasnt There (2001)
                    Mulholland Drive (2001)
                    Sin City (2005)
                    No Country For Old Men (2007)
                    Dark Country (2009)
                    The Killer Inside Me (2010)
                    Sin City: A Dame To Kill For (2014)

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                      Jessica_Rabbit69 — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 09:05 AM)

                      "the so called Neo Noir would have to be extremely twisted to off set it's lack of Noir stylistics."
                      I agree with that.
                      This is a great list, most of the 60's, 70's and 80's ones you mention I have seen and liked. Interesting to put
                      In the Heat of the Night
                      as Neo-Noir, but I can see it.
                      I have been trying to track down
                      Hickey & Boggs
                      for a long time. No luck as of yet. It is on youtube, but there seems to be something wrong with the print.
                      Blink
                      I saw when it came out and liked it a lot.
                      Se7en
                      is a movie I cannot stomach. That was a bit too much.
                      Jessica Rabbit
                      "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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                        mgtbltp — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 11:02 AM)

                        RE:
                        In The Heat Of The Night
                        the menu on the 40th anniversary edition has a B&W Noir homage. You get, in your face Noir, just from the opening credits, then the rest of the sets are what I like to call Edward Hopper-esque Noir. It's gets so hyped as a landmark/breakthrough film that its not noticed how Noir it is the same goes for
                        Shaft
                        , it practically started the Blaxploitation craze but its a solid Neo Noir PI flick and not at all like the cheap flood of over the top quasi imitations that followed, check it out too.
                        I get a lot of hard to find DVD films through Ebay (
                        Hickey & Boggs
                        ,
                        Romeo Is Bleeding
                        ) they may be from Hong Kong, Thailand, etc. but if they are R0 and have English listed as one of the languages I've had no problem. The DVDs are just default set to whatever the native language of country of origin is, you just go to the menu click English, and then click no subtitles.
                        Oldies.com has a good DVD copy of
                        The Kill-Off
                        which is one of the best adaptations of a Jim Thompson book.
                        My next option (lucky for me I still have a VHS player) is VHS tapes which have a lot of titles that still haven't made it to DVD, and may never. I got
                        Delusion
                        , and
                        This World Then The Fireworks
                        that way.

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                          Jessica_Rabbit69 — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 01:07 PM)

                          "It's gets so hyped as a landmark/breakthrough film that its not noticed how Noir it is the same goes for Shaft,"
                          Very true. I also looked at those movies simply as landmark movies, with the Blaxploitation films being the more fun version of serious ones. My fault.
                          I don't have the 40th anniversary DVD of
                          In the Heat of the Night
                          , but the B&W Noir homage sounds great.
                          Shaft
                          is a fun movie and I even like the new version.
                          There still seem to be quite a lot of people who have their old VHS players. Mine went out a long time ago, but maybe I should have held on to it.
                          Jessica Rabbit
                          "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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                            mgtbltp — 10 years ago(September 01, 2015 05:04 AM)

                            Here you go J_R69 I posted the menu of the 40th anniversary edition a while ago on Youtube to illustrate it's homage to Noir:
                            And here are the very Noir opening credits chiarocuro lighting, high and low angle cinematography, shadows:

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                              Jessica_Rabbit69 — 10 years ago(September 01, 2015 10:24 AM)

                              Thank you! I tried to find it on youtube but typed in the whole title. Didn't think of "ITHOTN menu". 🙂
                              Time for a re-watch.
                              Jessica Rabbit
                              "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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                                Spikeopath — 10 years ago(September 02, 2015 01:40 AM)

                                Yes, me also. That's how I got to see
                                Deep Cover
                                , bought the VHS off ebay.
                                The
                                Spikeopath

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                                  jgcole — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 12:49 PM)

                                  Good list, a few I haven't seen including
                                  Shaft
                                  which I've been meaning to watch. It's got to be worth it for the soundtrack alone. Watching
                                  Alfredo Garcia
                                  this week.
                                  Here's a few you might want to check out that I didn't see on your list or spike's:
                                  Devil in a Blue Dress, The Long Goodbye, The Two Jakes
                                  and
                                  After Dark, My Sweet
                                  .
                                  NIPO is about the best to be hoped for from today's cinema. Nobody's going to make a black and white and nobody is going to lean too much towards style over substance. The movie going demographic is simply not interested and directors do want their films to be seen.

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                                    Jessica_Rabbit69 — 10 years ago(August 31, 2015 01:16 PM)

                                    I second
                                    Devil in a Blue Dress
                                    . Highly recommended.
                                    Jessica Rabbit
                                    "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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                                      Jessica_Rabbit69 — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 06:57 AM)

                                      Great review. I'm a fan, but it's one of those films where I have to steel myself before watching. I've seen it twice, and read the book, and it's nothing you can just sit down, watch and forget. I also wouldn't watch it by myself when I'm home alone. Too horrific and chilling.
                                      I see you got a little lecture on the CFB when you posted this. 🙂 It's so unfortunate that the CFB has become such an annoying board.
                                      Jessica Rabbit
                                      "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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                                        mgtbltp — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 07:29 AM)

                                        I don't ever look for hidden agendas in films, but there are folks out there who see everything in black and white, good and bad, who think they are the watchdogs of the culture. I just ignore it.
                                        The main point of my reviews is the Visual thread that runs through these films that's sort of why they are heavy on screenshots. The exceptional ones are are works of art.

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                                          Jessica_Rabbit69 — 9 years ago(November 21, 2016 07:33 AM)

                                          That particular poster is extremely knowledgable on film, I mostly enjoy his posts, but he's also very very pedantic and humorless.
                                          Jessica Rabbit
                                          "I'm not bad. I'm just drawn that way."

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