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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Film Noir
morrison-dylan-fan — 9 years ago(December 31, 2016 04:20 PM)
Hi all
I hope everyone had a Merry Christmas
and that with it now being 00:20 in the UK,I wish you all a Happy New Year
And what better way to kick the year off,then to say
Hello to the Homme and Femme Fatales of the dark alleyways,and welcome to the latest edition of your bimonthly thread.This is where we all get a chance to post our views on Film Noir or films of a similar ilk from Nordic Noir to Giallo.Although we are primarily about the Noir world,post on your non-Noir viewings are all welcomed as well,in the spirit of good conversation. -
gordonl56 — 9 years ago(January 01, 2017 03:02 AM)
CONTAINS SPOILERS
"Hans le Marin" 1949 Aka "The Wicked City", "Hafenbar von Marseille"
An American freighter docks in Marseille and three sailors head for the red light district for drinks and a bit of the old in-out, in-out. The three hit a bar called the "KIT-KAT Club" to see if they can find both. The one sailor, Jean -Pierre Aumont, sees a dazzling beauty at the bar and dumps the "working girl" he is with. The beauty, Maria Montez, (Aumont and Montez were married at the time) agrees to have a couple of dances with Aumont. Aumont is completely smitten with Montez and off they go to Montez's rooms.
Aumont's ship is leaving next day so early in the morning Montez walks Aumont down to the docks. They stop at a café for a last cognac. Out of francs, he pays the bill in US dollars which catches the eyes of waterfront thugs, Jean Roy and Marcel Dalio. Aumont asks Montez to wait for his return from sea. Montez just smiles as she has heard this tune before.
They leave the café, Aumont is jumped by the thugs, beaten unconscious and relieved of his cash and papers. They give Montez a smile and take off. Aumont wakes up in a hospital with a splitting headache. The police arrive and ask how he ended up there. All he recalls is that one of the men that mugged him was whistling a strange tune.
Released from the hospital, he goes to the KIT-KAT to look for Montez. He is refused entry since he cannot pony up the 150 franc cover. Out into the street he goes. His ship left a week ago, he is broke, and has no papers. He tries the American Consulate but is turned away because he cannot prove who he is. No papers, no money and no way to get a work permit. What a mess. Several days go by and things are getting worse. No place to stay and hungry. A young street peddler slips him some oranges and a few clues about possible work.
Speaking several languages, Aumont finds he can get work as a hawker for the nightclubs. By directing sailors etc to the clubs he gets a piece of the cover. Every night he takes his wages and hits the KIT-KAT looking for Montez. She is never there. Aumont hears from the boss that Montez had struck gold and has a rich sugar daddy. Aumont does not believe it because he 'knows" she loves only him.
One night while walking the club's gypsy fortune-teller, Lilli Palmer, home, he hears some strange whistling. He pulls Palmer into the shadows and has a quick look down the alley. Sure enough, here come the two thugs who robbed him. Aumont ambushes the pair. Dalio escapes but Roy is killed when he cracks his head open on the pavement following an Aumont punch.
Palmer grabs Aumont and quickly rushes him to the gypsy camp where he is hidden in case the Police come. Palmer has a crush on Aumont which of course Aumont does not notice. The Police soon grab up the second thug, Marcel Dalio, once his dead partner Roy is found. He tells them about Aumont and that he will find him for the Police. The detectives give Dalio 5 days to deliver Aumont or they will charge Dalio with the murder.
Aumont learns from the young orange peddler that his ship has returned to Marseille. He pays the ship a visit and finds that the ship is leaving for the States that night. He signs on for the trip back. He also arranges with some of the crew to smuggle the orange peddler on board. He wants the kid to have a better life in the U.S. than he has here.
Aumont tells Palmer he is leaving. Palmer sighs and tells him it is best he leave because the Police had searched the camp that morning. Aumont grabs the kid and smuggles him on board with some wine casks. He returns the truck to the merchant and starts back to the docks. Needless to say he does not make it.
Just outside the docks he sees Montez sitting in an expensive car. The car takes off before he can reach it. Does he get on the ship or go after his true love? He makes for the KIT-KAT where he finds Montez showing off her prize mark. Montez ignores Aumont when he approaches with a big grin on his face. "But it is me darling!" Spouts Aumont. "Who?" Is Montez's answer. Aumont is stunned.
Also in the club is Dalio who grabs a phone and drops dime to John Law on Aumont. One of the bartenders warns Aumont that Dalio had ratted on him. Aumont exits in a hurry just as the cops arrive. He waits in the dark outside of Montez's rooms for her return. Montez shows and Aumont forces his way in.
Aumont says. "How can you ignore me after you said you loved me? Don't you remember?" Montez laughs and responds. "I don't even recall your name!" Needless to say that was the wrong thing to say. Montez quickly finds hands tightening around her throat. Finished, Aumont lets her lifeless body slip to the floor. He then slowly walks out of the apartment and into the arms of the just arrived Police.
The rest of the cast includes, Pierre Bertin, Roger Blin, Gregoire Aslam, Jean Marie Simon and Lita Rico.
Montez was in "Tangier" and "Portrait of an Assassin". Dalio worked both sides of the Atlantic with bits in "Gra -
morrison-dylan-fan — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 03:44 PM)
Hi Gordon! thank you for the excellent review (which I've ticked) of this obscure French Noir.With your last obscure French Noir leading me to Dédée d'Anvers,I was wondering if you found Hans to be almost as good?
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PimpinAinttEasy — 9 years ago(January 01, 2017 10:49 PM)
IN THE HEAT OF THE NIGHT (1967)
- i didn't love it. the background score by quincy jones was great. great performance by ROD STEIGER. POITIER was a bit preachy. WARREN OATES in a supporting role. great atmosphere and loved the small town setting. loved the way the film looked, technicolor was great, i wonder why they did away with it. but it all felt a bit flimsy in the end. doesn't really work as a police procedural. the parts are better than the sum.
(7/10)
I get melancholy if I don't write. I need the company of people who don't exist
- i didn't love it. the background score by quincy jones was great. great performance by ROD STEIGER. POITIER was a bit preachy. WARREN OATES in a supporting role. great atmosphere and loved the small town setting. loved the way the film looked, technicolor was great, i wonder why they did away with it. but it all felt a bit flimsy in the end. doesn't really work as a police procedural. the parts are better than the sum.
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jgcole — 9 years ago(January 02, 2017 11:24 AM)
A contract star at 20th Century Fox, Tyrone Power was tired of playing the swashbuckling, romantic lead. He had been a stage actor before going to Hollywood and wanted parts that would show that he was a serious actor doing meaningful films. He bought the rights to the pulp fiction novel
Nightmare Alley
and managed to get it produced as his follow up to
The Razor's Edge
, another film that was more in line with his ambitions.
Alley was not a low budget film, having top actors, a director with stage and writing experience, and one of the best cinematographers in the business, Lee Garmes. Garmes had worked with Joseph von Sternberg, photographing Marlene Dietrich in
Morocco
and
Shanghai Express
and his expressionist lighting techniques and camera work perfectly mirrored Alleys bizarre and twisted plot and subject matter.
Power plays Stanton Carlisle, a carnival barker who uses his considerable charms with women to obtain the secret code to a mind reading act. He discards the woman who taught him the code, opting for a younger, better looking one for his new act, The Great Stanton, a mentalist who reads the minds of people in the audience. He soon meets the beautiful Dr. Lilith Ritter, a psychiatrist who records her sessions on tape, giving her a library of the deepest, darkest secrets of her patients. She finesses the charismatic, and by now famous, Stanton into a scheme using those secrets to extract money from her wealthy patients.
Stanton has successfully used two women on the way up but has met his match in the villainous Dr. Ritter. After shes done using Stan his fall is quick and has no bottom. The startling transformation of the character is a brilliant piece of acting by Power who is unrecognizable in the last scene. Daryl Zanuck was shocked and worried what this film would do to his matinee idol star. The studio got nervous, underpublicized it and gave it only a very limited release. The film died, the rights went into a protracted legal fight, and was rarely seen until its release on DVD about ten years ago. Of course the film gained a cult status but is also considered to be one of Powers best, if not the best, performance of his career.
No cops, gangsters or guns, Nightmare Alley is a noir deviant with a
Twilight Zone
feel about it and strong elements of horror. Highly recommended, this one is not for the faint of heart. -
Jessica_Rabbit69 — 9 years ago(January 03, 2017 02:24 PM)
I wrote a review about it not long ago and couldn't agree more. The film positively reeks of desperation and proves that Noir doesn't need detectives, femmes fatales, guns, gangsters and outright murder to be true Noir.
Jessica Rabbit
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morrison-dylan-fan — 9 years ago(January 03, 2017 03:30 PM)
Happy New Year Cole! It looks like your Noir year kicked off with a bang in your great review,I was wondering if The Razor's Edge shares many similarities with Alley?
These are my notes on the film from 2015:
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For the first hour of Jules Furthman's adaptation of William Lindsay Gresham's novel,the screenplay focuses on building Carlisle's psychotic personality,with the carnival setting surrounding Carlisle with freaks & geeks who he mercilessly takes advantage of in order to grab the limelight,with no regard at all for the effect it will have on his fellow performers.Along with striking Carlisle's Film Noir personality across the screen, Furthman also begins to subtle lay down cards which get turned during the final round.
Furthman slowly has Carlisle develop an uneasy sense of doubt of the revelations of the Tarot cards, to Carlisle having strong feelings of grandeur over being able to dominate and con anyone that stands in his way.Whilst the psychotic Noir mood that Furthman has been threading is clipped for an optimistic final note which goes against Gresham's novel, (most likely due to the Hays Code still having some grasp on power) Furthman takes Carlisle out of the carnival,and places him in a ruthless urban circus,where Carlisle's former attention-grabbing tricks are no match for the psychologically quick-witted circus animals waiting to get Carlisle in their grasp.
Despite the ratings board leading to a (what now appears long lost) scene involving carnival geeks attacking a chicken being pulled from the title,director Edmund Goulding & cinematographer Lee Garmes are still able to unleash an excellent,off-beat Film Noir atmosphere.For the carnival sequences,Goulding and Garmes dim the circus lights in order to cast long dark shadows across the screen,which reveal the darkness hiding behind Carlisle's colourful tricks.Getting out of the carnival,Goulding and Garmes superbly use tightly held, stilted shots to tear apart the charming image that Carlisle has built for himself,in order to uncover the decaying animal lurking beneath the surface.
Going against his good-guy image, Tyrone Power gives an excellent performance as Carlisle,with Power impressively making Carlisle's carnival act a tense affair,despite the viewer being told how the magic tricks are done.Gradually peeling away Carlisle's showmanship,Power strikes a brutal intensity,thanks to Power showing Carlisle not care about what method he must use to get to the top,even if it plunges him deeper into being a Film Noir loner.Lighting up the screen with their beauty, Joan Blondell/Coleen Gray & Helen Walker each give fantastic performances,with Blondell giving Zeena an underlying sense of doubt over teaching Carlisle the act,whilst Gray counters Blondell's unease by giving Molly a sweet,naïve charm,as Helen Walker burns Carlisle's nightmare carnival down. -
jgcole — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 07:05 AM)
Been a long time since I've last seen
The Razor's Edge
so not sure about any similarities to
Nightmare Alley
, other than they were both directed by the same guy and had the same star.
I didn't think the ending was that optimistic, certainly not enough to consider it to be a cop out - I mean it was 1947. Stanton Carlisle lost everything, reduced to a drunk, relegated to living out his days as a carny. And there was no way out as he had his enabler - his estranged wife who saw this as her opportunity to hold on to Stan - just as was the case at the beginning of the film with Zeena and Pete. At best, she was only going to "save" him from being The Geek. Stan was doomed. I thought it was an effective end to the story, going full circle from the opening.
I looked for Jessica's review of this but couldn't find it. But I did read it when it was posted, so thanks as that's the reason I watched this film. Definitely Top Ten in the dark and bleak category for me. -
Jessica_Rabbit69 — 9 years ago(January 05, 2017 01:51 PM)
I'm glad you watched it because of my review. I actually just posted it on this thread, not on the movie page. I could post it again, but I just looked at it again and I simply got carried away with my writing, the review is too long and rambling. It needs some serious editing.
I too didn't think the ending was optimistic. In the end, Molly and Stanton are simply the mirror image of Zeena and Pete, the nurturer and the hopeless down-and-out alcoholic for whom there is no salvation anymore. At best, Stan seems to have fallen into the position of Pete at the beginning of the film, rescued from oblivion by a woman who cares for him. But theirs was never a happy arrangement.
He is saved by Molly from becoming the Geek, for now at least, but his future doesn't exactly look bright. Maybe Stan has not become the Geek, but he has become Pete.
Stanton will end like Pete, dead of some bad liquor. And the love of a good woman will not save him. The films ends how it started.
Jessica Rabbit
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Spikeopath — 9 years ago(January 06, 2017 06:20 AM)
It's a personal favourite so it's great to see such a positive and intelligent review. I'll just piggyback your review with my own so as to add more weight.
Don't forget, to err is human- -to forgive- -divine.
Nightmare Alley is directed by Edmund Goulding and adapted to screenplay by Jules Furthman from William Lindsay Gresham's novel. It stars Tyrone Power, Coleen Gray, Joan Blondell, Helen Walker, Taylor Holmes and Mike Mazurki. Music is by Cyril J. Mockridge and cinematography by Lee Garmes.
The rise and fall of Carnival Barker, Stanton Carlisle..
Picture opens with Cyril Mockridge's ominous music, sprinkled with carny strains, it's a portent of what is to come. The characters of this particular travelling carnival then enter the fray, boxed in by Lee Garmes' shadowy photography. Mood is set at dark, not even the sight of a handsome Tyrone Power can shift the feeling that there is bleakness coming our way. Thankfully, that is the case.
Due to a legal dispute, Nightmare Alley was out of the mainstream circulation for over fifty years. A crime that robbed a whole generation of film noir lovers the chance to sample this excellent picture. Power had himself purchased the rights to Gresham's novel, determined to expand his range and break free of his typecasting as a Matinée Idol, Power wanted to play bad and got his wish. In the process giving arguably his finest career performance as Stanton Carlisle, a small time hustler who gleefully casts away human feelings to rise to the top as part of a spiritualist/mind reading act. But this is film noir, and around the corner are people just as unscrupulous as he is.
Have I ever mentioned God in this racket?
Very talky for the most part, it's the backdrops to the story that serve the narrative so well. Be it the carnival and the assortment of characters that inhabit it, or the up market club where Stanton and his wife, Molly (Gray), use psychological trickery on the affluent members of society, there's a disquiet, a sadness even, to proceedings, with Goulding and Furthman also casting an acerbic eye on social institutions and religious fervour. The latter of which provoked complaints from religious orders. There's barely a good or level headed human being to be found for the whole running time, picture is full of phonies and con-artists, gullibles and straw clutchers, beasts and alcoholics, it's no wonder the suits at the PCA got all twitchy! This is a bleak world view, and had it finished two minutes earlier, then we would be talking about one of the finest of all film noir endings. Sadly 20th Century Fox chief Darryl Zanuck had Goulding tag on a coda to get past the PCA. Not a film killer, no sir, but a disappointment for sure.
Lilith: A female demon of the night.
The team assembled for the production is of a high quality. Power and Goulding may be out of place in the genre of film noir, but they both come out with much credit. The former is thoroughly absorbing and the latter knits it together without fuss; letting the actors fully form Furthman's (To Have and Have Not/The Big Sleep) seductively crisp screenplay, while Garmes (Scarface/Detective Story) brings the chiaroscuro, which makes a nice devilish bedfellow for Mockridge's (Road House) music. Benefiting most from Goulding's direction is Helen Walker (Murder in the Music Hall/Call Northside 777) as Lilith Ritter, an excellent portrayal of the icy cold psychiatrist who forms an intriguing axis between the three women in Stanton's life. Both Gray (Kiss of Death/Kansas City Confidential) and Blondell (Cry Havoc) earn their money as polar opposites jostling for Stanton's attentions, and Ian Keith gives a heart tugging performance as alcoholic Pete Krumbein, a critical character that spins the protagonist into a vortex of smug charlatanism-cum-self loathing.
Now available on DVD with a lovely transfer, this is worthy of a delve for the film noir dwellers. 9/10
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telegonus — 9 years ago(January 07, 2017 01:36 PM)
Good review of
Nightmare Alley
, Spike. I've seen it maybe twice in its entirety, like it but it's not a favorite. You may well have nailed it with your calling it "talky". The narrative drive just isn't there, or not for me anyway. The movie feels like a Ty Power vehicle, which it sort of is,and it's one of his bestthough it might have been better with a bit less Ty and a somewhat more Nightmare. Edmund Goulding was a fine director, and he did get some excellent performances out of his cast. My favorite is Ian Keith's as the dipso geek. His scenes are haunting. Yet overall, stylistically, the picture just doesn't jump off the screen.
Comparisons with Tod Browning's
Freaks
are near inevitable, but it's really a different sort of film. The Browning was sort of an exploitation art film horror, while the later film is more carny
noir
on steroids. Problem: the steroids don't kick in. I think it would be better to compare
Nightmare Alley
with Siodmak's
The Killers
and the Jules Dassin
Brute Force
. Those two rock; and in their best scenes they really do jump off the screen.
Nightmare Alley
feels too genteel for the kind of story it's telling; yet for all that, its gentility doesn't ruin the film, it just keeps it from being the classic it might have been with a stronger beat. -