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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — Logan's Run
DennisAlexis — 13 years ago(December 04, 2012 01:47 PM)
I've loved "Logan's Run" since I first saw it on TCM as a kid.
One of the things I find interesting is the fact that homosexuality is accepted as normal in the "Logan's Run" film. Being gay myself, that makes the movie even better in my opinion.
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DennisAlexis — 13 years ago(January 05, 2013 10:00 PM)
Likewise. You are blocked.
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wwcatalyst — 13 years ago(January 06, 2013 01:53 PM)
Until your comment I had forgotten that. And it was such a "non-event" in the movie, just a part of the story. Which is in itself wonderful. Not to mention it got past the censors of the day, and was not even commented on in the 3-monologue commentary.
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rags847 — 13 years ago(January 12, 2013 02:23 PM)
What censors? There were censors in the '70s? The Hays Code lasted from 1930 - 1968 and Logan's Run was released in 1976. Which is why we had nipples everywhere and Logan telling the girl that whatever she is into, it is fine.
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grendelkhan — 13 years ago(March 03, 2013 08:46 PM)
Yeah, there were censors, the MPAA. The practice censorship via the arbitrary assignment of ratings which limit the size of the movie's audience and influence theaters when they book movies. Suggestion of elements like homosexuality were often enough to get you an R, so there goes your teenage crowd, which was a prime target for a movie like this.
The MPAA is far worse than the Hayes Code ever was. At least there, things were pretty well spelled out. The MPAA is notorious for telling filmmakers they have to make cuts to get a desired rating, but won't provide specific information as to what is objectionable. The documentary This Movie Is Not Yet Rated exposes it for the lie that it is.
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Fluke_Skywalker — 12 years ago(April 01, 2014 10:28 PM)
I suppose you could read it one of two ways; 1.) It shows an acceptance of homosexuality, as the OP sees it. 2.) Since the culture of
Logan's Run
is one of hedonism and excess, it could be lumping homosexual behavior into the category of debauchery.
I'm not saying this to be hateful, but it's interesting how often two people (or groups of people) can look at the same thing and see something different. I like it when things like this aren't explicit and are left open for interpretation. Who wants to be beaten over the head with ideas? You don't think that way. You just take your lumps and move on.
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I suppose you could read it one of two ways; 1.) It shows an acceptance of homosexuality, as the OP sees it. 2.) Since the culture of Logan's Run is one of hedonism and excess, it could be lumping homosexual behavior into the category of debauchery.
Or that homosexuality was encouraged as a form of population control. In domed cities with limited resources and the need to kill people at 30 years of age, I'd imagine that population control is one of the primary concerns of that society, so i can see how non-reproductive sexual behaviors might be encouraged over time. -
liberius — 10 years ago(November 08, 2015 10:53 PM)
Nope. These people were tightly controlled including their reproduction. There's no suggestion that women were getting pregnant accidentally and homosexuality was used to moderate population. It was Last Day that controlled the population and babies were brought up in Nursery.
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PillowRock — 11 years ago(January 13, 2015 02:57 PM)
The practice censorship via the arbitrary assignment of ratings which limit the size of the movie's audience and influence theaters when they book movies. Suggestion of elements like homosexuality were often enough to get you an R, so there goes your teenage crowd, which was a prime target for a movie like this.
In this era (mid-1970s), not really . as long as you didn't go far enough to get an X.
Nobody was trying to keep movies down to a PG back then (and the PG-13 hadn't been invented yet). If anything, movie makers / studios tended to go the other way entirely: throwing the odd topless scene that was entirely gratuitous even though it would change the movie's rating from PG to R. The switch from the Code to the ratings system was still recent enough that seeing things on screen that used to be forbidden was still a marketing positive.
Also, an R didn't really cost you the teen audience back then. Many theaters still tended to treat the ratings as what they actually are: industry guidelines, not the virtual equivalent of legal drinking ages that the ratings have become. They just didn't work that hard at enforcing the rating age limits (again, aside from X). Theaters hadn't yet consolidated into huge chains run by corporate lawyers in full CYA mode to avoid any possibility of law suits. Speaking as someone who was 14 - 15 in 1976 (depending on the month), I can tell you that I had no trouble seeing
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Frumious_Bandersnatch_46 — 9 years ago(September 06, 2016 05:57 AM)
In the U.S. the Hays Office was succeeded by the MPAA Office. For a long time, they were (in)famous for putting more restrictive ratings on scenes with any gay action than on similar scenes between a straight couple. (A single kiss between two men was almost sure to get a movie an "R" rating.)
Find the documentary "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" (2006)
http://www.imdb.com/board/10493459/combined
It outlines the unequal treatment of that era. Including the "Drumhead Court Martial" tone of their "appeal process".
Perhaps that bit "slipped past" because it didn't go anywhere, they didn't even speak to each other.
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Nikon11 — 13 years ago(January 23, 2013 11:25 AM)
Must be the mid-70's or maybe just the British
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omoxus — 11 years ago(April 07, 2014 08:50 PM)
It was a hedonistic society that accepted all types of sexual behavior. I don't think Logan 5 was Homosexual. As he rejected the guy that came through the circuit before Jessica 6. More than likely, he and Frances would get involved in orgies. The relationship between the two were more of a "bromance".
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