Homosexuality
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Frumious_Bandersnatch_46 — 9 years ago(September 06, 2016 05:57 AM)
In the U.S. the Hays Office was succeeded by the MPAA Office. For a long time, they were (in)famous for putting more restrictive ratings on scenes with any gay action than on similar scenes between a straight couple. (A single kiss between two men was almost sure to get a movie an "R" rating.)
Find the documentary "This Film Is Not Yet Rated" (2006)
http://www.imdb.com/board/10493459/combined
It outlines the unequal treatment of that era. Including the "Drumhead Court Martial" tone of their "appeal process".
Perhaps that bit "slipped past" because it didn't go anywhere, they didn't even speak to each other.
"Love looks not with the eye but with the mind;
Therefore is wingd Cupid painted blind."
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Nikon11 — 13 years ago(January 23, 2013 11:25 AM)
Must be the mid-70's or maybe just the British
In The Man Who Would Be King, Ootah offers Daniel and Peachy any of his daughters, and after they refuse (they swore off women for a bit), he offers them any of his sons. -
omoxus — 11 years ago(April 07, 2014 08:50 PM)
It was a hedonistic society that accepted all types of sexual behavior. I don't think Logan 5 was Homosexual. As he rejected the guy that came through the circuit before Jessica 6. More than likely, he and Frances would get involved in orgies. The relationship between the two were more of a "bromance".
I am the Alpha and the Omoxus. The Omoxus and the Omega -
LauraJ1234 — 11 years ago(December 05, 2014 07:51 PM)
Certainly, the City culture of Logan's Run does accept it as normal. But whether the film itself accepts it as normal is debatable.
In the film, sex was just sex. It had no moral value, positive or negative (nothing in the City had any moral value, positive or negative). It was simply an action undertaken by willing parties. Clearly people might have preferences (we see both Logan and Jessica rejecting same-gender partners but not having any stigma about the possibilities), but those preferences were not connected to identities the way we think of them today. That is, a guy preferring other guys is not 'gay', because there is no such identity in the world of the City, but he would be just a guy who prefers guys.
I am ambivalent about how the movie depicts it is it using the openness around same-gender sex as a positive depiction of the openness of the sexual revolution of the 1970s? I really find it wonderful to see the ease with which they talk about it. On the other hand, in the end the movie reinforces traditional heterosexual, monogamous, for-the-purpose-of-procreation partnerships, so in that light, same-gender sex would be seen as an example of the decadence of the City, suggesting that the film might ultimately reject same-gender sex. -
Helenlaurence — 10 years ago(June 03, 2015 01:56 PM)
I get what you're saying here- but for some reason it felt to me like it was just a non issue. It didn't matter if you preferred men or women just because It didn't.
Although as someone else said, Logan and Jessica did seem to represent 'the norm' at the end. And Francis could be seen as being 'sick' and 'obsessive' in his live for Logan.calthough at the same time they seemed to have a great relationship in the beginning!
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kaskait — 10 years ago(July 02, 2015 05:49 PM)
I see it differently. Yes, the film did accept homosexuality as a non-issue.
What it was showing was that there was no outlet for LOVE. This society did not allow people to build relationships, to create lives together. And if they did attempt to do so, I'm sure the computer would have found ways to break it up.
The reason why Francis went insane was because he had no outlet for the feelings he had for Logan. He wasn't allowed to have a life with him. So he took what he could get.
But when he saw Logan fall immediately in love with Jessica, Francis realized what he was missing. And that is part of the reason he was so angry and hurt.
Could Logan have fallen in love with Francis? Probably. He certainly doesn't turn his nose away from male affairs or his hook up machine would reject male candidates immediately and only let women through the channel. But it just happened that he fell in love with Jessica. -
megArnold — 10 years ago(July 26, 2015 07:55 AM)
Yes, the film did accept homosexuality as a non-issue.
or at least gay sex for recreation.
But when he saw Logan fall immediately in love with Jessica, Francis realized what he was missing.
says who?
or his hook up machine would reject male candidates immediately
says who?
Everything you say, however nice and plausible it may be, is your interpretation of things that are not in the movie.
No, Schmuck! You are only entitled to your INFORMED opinion!!
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kaskait — 10 years ago(July 29, 2015 08:38 PM)
Says who?
The film.
Francis was acting way too intensely over a friend who meets a new woman. Wouldn't you think? Especially in the last scenes, where he is complaining that Jessica changed him.
The Circuit
If Logan didn't have flings with men or didn't want them, he could easily program the machine not to show available men. In turn the men on the circuit could request only female partners. What would be the point of the machine if it didn't allow choice? -
liberius — 10 years ago(November 08, 2015 11:19 PM)
"Francis was acting way too intensely over a friend who meets a new woman. Wouldn't you think? Especially in the last scenes, where he is complaining that Jessica changed him."
Oh, now, Francis was reacting to Jessica as a runner, not as a sexual competitor. He was an agent of the state indoctrinated to hate her kind as a threat to the state.
"If Logan didn't have flings with men or didn't want them, he could easily program the machine not to show available men."
That is true but it was a simple plot device to show that homosexuality was no big deal. If not for that how would we have seen it? Men kissing? Not in 1976. Less contentious to have Logan reject a man which is like having it both ways. You get to see a juicy aspect while maintaining Logan's hetero credentials. -
spielberto — 9 years ago(September 06, 2016 07:33 AM)
I have to disagree with you, kaskait.
I think this had far less to do with sexuality than it did with 'religion' and/or 'civic devotion to the state'.
I feel Francis's attitude was analogous to when fervent religious devotee sees a someone he thought of as a similar devotee 'fall from grace' and abandon the religion. The outrage and hatred is greater than they appear to have for the person that never believed, because this person KNEW the 'TRUTH' and threw it away.
Francis believed that their way of life was THE way; the ONLY way. Logan was not following that way. Francis NEEDS everyone to believe as he does. If enough people don't, then the system falls apart and Francis is left with nothing. Runners create a panic deep in Francis's mind, even if he doesn't recognize it.
Francis's last words weren't, "Logan,..I.love you. erg."
They were, "Logan!..You renewed! erg." (when he looked at Logan's clear crystal)
Francis was still seeing things from a 'religious' view. He thought Logan was 'saved'. -
liberius — 10 years ago(November 08, 2015 11:06 PM)
That's a very good answer.
Free sex is treated as a given in LR. The book is the source material and the 70s, post 60s culture, portrayed it in an relaxed and quite inconsequential manner. I think if the movie was made now it would be, ironically, more to the fore, which is kinda sad when you think about it.
Ask yourself what our world will be like in a few decades time. Hopefully nobody will give a beep but you'll still have a preference and just because you accept someone's right to be bisexual you'll still find most people will be heterosexual as a function of pure biology. -
sevenlilxenos — 10 years ago(February 09, 2016 07:51 PM)
I got an ancient Rome vibe prolly from the togas. Some of the rich dudes would just get drunk and throw a f/ck in whoever they wanted so I agree it was meant to be hedonistic (and we know what happened to Rome for a variety of reasons). Seeing how the opening scene is a nursery and how Logan was all like "Hell Naw!" when he saw the gay dude on the circuit I'm guessing hetrosexuals are still the majority.