Homosexuality
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kaskait — 10 years ago(July 29, 2015 08:38 PM)
Says who?
The film.
Francis was acting way too intensely over a friend who meets a new woman. Wouldn't you think? Especially in the last scenes, where he is complaining that Jessica changed him.
The Circuit
If Logan didn't have flings with men or didn't want them, he could easily program the machine not to show available men. In turn the men on the circuit could request only female partners. What would be the point of the machine if it didn't allow choice? -
liberius — 10 years ago(November 08, 2015 11:19 PM)
"Francis was acting way too intensely over a friend who meets a new woman. Wouldn't you think? Especially in the last scenes, where he is complaining that Jessica changed him."
Oh, now, Francis was reacting to Jessica as a runner, not as a sexual competitor. He was an agent of the state indoctrinated to hate her kind as a threat to the state.
"If Logan didn't have flings with men or didn't want them, he could easily program the machine not to show available men."
That is true but it was a simple plot device to show that homosexuality was no big deal. If not for that how would we have seen it? Men kissing? Not in 1976. Less contentious to have Logan reject a man which is like having it both ways. You get to see a juicy aspect while maintaining Logan's hetero credentials. -
spielberto — 9 years ago(September 06, 2016 07:33 AM)
I have to disagree with you, kaskait.
I think this had far less to do with sexuality than it did with 'religion' and/or 'civic devotion to the state'.
I feel Francis's attitude was analogous to when fervent religious devotee sees a someone he thought of as a similar devotee 'fall from grace' and abandon the religion. The outrage and hatred is greater than they appear to have for the person that never believed, because this person KNEW the 'TRUTH' and threw it away.
Francis believed that their way of life was THE way; the ONLY way. Logan was not following that way. Francis NEEDS everyone to believe as he does. If enough people don't, then the system falls apart and Francis is left with nothing. Runners create a panic deep in Francis's mind, even if he doesn't recognize it.
Francis's last words weren't, "Logan,..I.love you. erg."
They were, "Logan!..You renewed! erg." (when he looked at Logan's clear crystal)
Francis was still seeing things from a 'religious' view. He thought Logan was 'saved'. -
liberius — 10 years ago(November 08, 2015 11:06 PM)
That's a very good answer.
Free sex is treated as a given in LR. The book is the source material and the 70s, post 60s culture, portrayed it in an relaxed and quite inconsequential manner. I think if the movie was made now it would be, ironically, more to the fore, which is kinda sad when you think about it.
Ask yourself what our world will be like in a few decades time. Hopefully nobody will give a beep but you'll still have a preference and just because you accept someone's right to be bisexual you'll still find most people will be heterosexual as a function of pure biology. -
sevenlilxenos — 10 years ago(February 09, 2016 07:51 PM)
I got an ancient Rome vibe prolly from the togas. Some of the rich dudes would just get drunk and throw a f/ck in whoever they wanted so I agree it was meant to be hedonistic (and we know what happened to Rome for a variety of reasons). Seeing how the opening scene is a nursery and how Logan was all like "Hell Naw!" when he saw the gay dude on the circuit I'm guessing hetrosexuals are still the majority.
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sean_ohlson-1 — 10 years ago(February 15, 2016 07:17 AM)
I don't recall any gay characters the guy on the sex circuit?
Him and the fact that when Jessica made it clear she wasn't interested Logan asked if it was because she was in to women. Not accusingly but honestly asking. Just made it seem clear that we were looking at a society that wasn't really hung up about it.
Myself, I just kind of like the fact that they predicted Tinder back in the 70s