Sherlock and deleted scenes
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fshepinc — 20 years ago(February 26, 2006 06:45 PM)
When I saw the film in the theatre there was no Sherlock scene at the end, but there was a scene that was cut from the video/DVD release for some reason: It showed Jessica Withers and her nurser in an old-fashioned London taxi, pulling up to the Twain house. They had clearly taken the cab from London to the US, with gags about the fare and the difficulty in crossing the Atlantic. Anyone else remember it? Anyone know why it was deleted?
Zaphod's just zis guy, you know?
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celeb_sleuth — 20 years ago(February 27, 2006 06:26 AM)
The cab driver was played by Peter Sellers, doing one of his infamous impressions. It was deleted because it was too confusing for viewers to see Peter Sellers in 2 roles in the movie. The script has several deleted scenes, which I listed on here before such as confrontation between Jessica Marbles (Elsa Lanchester) and Dora Charleston (Maggie Smith) about how murder is "never exciting" or words to that affect. There is also the scene missing where the adopted son finds another note in Lionel Twain's hand, and missing dialogue in the dining room scene between several of the characters, probably cut due to time contraints. Everything in the script was shot, so it would be very exciting if someone ever picked all these deleted scenes off the cutting room floor and put them into a special edition DVD. The script also explains the ending, if anyone is curious I would gladly tell them what the ending is supposed to suggest.
SPOILER SPOILER SPOILER
If you hadnt already tried to figure it out for yourself, the maid is in fact Lionel's daughter Rita/Irene. You will take note that neither the maid, nor Lionel Twain, are ever in the same room at the same time because he would be able to tell it was his daughter immediately. The ending was filmed several times, with different actresses playing the daughter, however it proved too confusing and they stuck with Nancy Walker. -
Sten-Menden — 19 years ago(July 07, 2006 06:48 PM)
I don't think that this explains much. If there is a Lionel Twain an a "undercover Rita" why does Twain know when and that he will be killed? And why does he let somebody kill him?
And when it really was Rita why don't get Perrier the money? Or is it so because his theory says that she had killed several other people but she have not done this?
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ColleenDot — 19 years ago(August 13, 2006 05:02 PM)
I don't think celeb_sleuth meant that there were two seperate Twains. What I believe may have happened is that Rita staged Lionels death. Maybe that wasn't really Twain (fake plastic body) or something. I don't know. Maybe we weren't meant to know. Just one of those unsolved questions that we have to live with.
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madkaugh — 18 years ago(July 10, 2007 04:49 PM)
It was deleted because it was too confusing for viewers
to see Peter Sellers in 2 roles in the movie.
Good Lord, no. Peter Sellers often played multiple roles:
The Mouse That Roared (1959) - Grand Duchess Gloriana XII/Prime Minister Count Rupert Mountjoy/Tully Bascombe
Dr. Strangelove (1964) - Group Captain Lionel Mandrake/President Merkin Muffley/Dr. Strangelove
The Fiendish Plot of Dr. Fu Manchu (1980) - Dennis Nayland Smith/Dr. Fu('Fred') Manchu
With all the convolutions in this plot, Neil Simon would not have been put off by casting Peter Sellers in a second dissimilar bit role for its being too confusing.
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avortac — 13 years ago(September 02, 2012 12:33 AM)
"It was deleted because it was too confusing for viewers to see Peter Sellers in 2 roles in the movie. "
Oh, come on. That can't be a reason. Have you seen any Austin Powers movies? Try to count how many roles Mike Myers is in, without audience getting confused. By that, at least. Furthermore, I have seen many movies where the same guy plays different roles, and those movies have never confused the audience. With that, at least.. -
nursewratchet_romanorn — 13 years ago(September 23, 2012 10:13 PM)
Yes she is Twain's daughter. Also if you remember at the beginning it was explained that she hated her father, and at the end it was stated that Twain died 5 years ago. She took his place to confuse us..IT is a great movie that deserves to be watched many times over. The one that gets me is that at the end she laughs in a man's voice????
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manofspells — 19 years ago(August 21, 2006 06:45 PM)
There is an additional seen with Sam Diamonds companion almost getting hit by the Charlestons as she's walking back from getting gasoline. I seem to recall her saying "Thank God you came along I've been walking for miles." Instead of offering a lift Charleston says something like "Well, keep to the side of the road." and drives off. I think Eileen Brennans scream is what I remember the most from that seen. I wish the DVD had the extra scenese put back in.
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movieperson113 — 19 years ago(September 16, 2006 03:13 PM)
Considering when the DVD came out we'll only be getting the version with the Mini-Conversation with Neil Simon.
That is unless the company thinks they can make some more money releasing the movie again with deleted scenes and maybe a commentary or interviews with the remaining (living) actors.
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NightOfTheLivingDon — 18 years ago(October 24, 2007 02:16 PM)
When I was a child, I would constantly rent this movie from the library near my house. The VHS the library rented out had both the "Miss. Skeffington meets the Charlestons" scene (with a line or two when they meet again at the castle) and the Sherlock and Watson ending. So, if anyone has interest in hunting down a first edition VHS of the film, you will be able to view these two (and a half) scenes. Years ago, the library started selling their VHS tapes, when I inquired about buying "Murder by Death" I found out that someone returned it with the taped snapped so they threw it away. I was slightly heart broken. Someone on this message board mentioned that they saw the scene on television, which is also true because a friend of mine had a VHS copy from a television broadcast that had the Sherlock scene. Incidently this is the same friend that has a VHS copy of the original Disney Channel broadcast of "The Goonies" that has the octopus, convience store, and about four or five other deleted scenes in it. Lucky bum.
Get the damn screwdriver OUT OF MY HEAD!!
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jconn426 — 14 years ago(April 06, 2011 02:22 AM)
I watched this movie just about every time it appeared on HBO back in the late 70's. (I was around 10 or 11 at the time.) I recall the missing scenes mentioned here. They probably got trimmed due to commercial TV time constraints more than anything else. (Star Trek reruns cut scenes to make more room for commercial ads.)
For example, BBC America just ran "MBD" this past Sunday as part of a salute to Peter Sellers. They cut off the real credits and instead reprinted them along the side of the screen while showing scenes from other upcoming shows. It would have been nice if they tacked on the Holmes and Watson gag after, but they didn't, even though Sellers was in it!
None of the missing scenes do much to advance the plot in any way, nor is this movie considered a "classic", though I think it ought to be! On the other hand, it's NOT like cutting out the Holmes and Watson gag could be compared to, say, deleting "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn", "What we got here is, failure to communicate", or the whole "I coulda been a contender!" speech.And He has on His robe and on His thigh a name written:KING OF KINGS AND LORD OF LORDS.
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warren_houghton — 14 years ago(April 06, 2011 10:45 AM)
I really hate that trick of reducing and speeding up the credits so they can add more self promotion. I don't know which networks do or if maybe they all do it, but IMHO it's reprehensible. Seems like a complete lawyerly scam to technically live up to whatever contract they have with the content providers while completely destroying any usefulness of the credits. Really it's the same as not running them, but no doubt they're contractually obligated to. I actually CARE occasionally who an actor or actress was or who wrote the music or whatever.
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ddo07-2 — 12 years ago(January 13, 2014 11:56 AM)
wonder if the deleted scenes ever been put back maybe in 2016 when the movie turns 40 ..one my favorite peter sellers did after the panther series and the party..i am sure neil simon and the director have them extra bits i am lucky to have taped from tv years ago and has the part still at the end..but i mostly watch dvds now so hopefully sooner then later.
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faeria — 10 years ago(August 22, 2015 05:24 PM)
I know this post is very old but just in case others are interested the Sherlock scene from the film is up on YouTube and can be viewed here:
We're not playing Yellow Car.Martin
You're
always
playing Yellow Car.Arthur