"Perverts!!"
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TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(June 06, 2021 04:32 PM)
I watched it last night!
Telly had a really weird part, lol.
It's an interesting movie and obviously about how we didn't actually go to the moon. I recall people thinking the movie was very serious when I was a kid.
It was an interesting series of events in the film.
A cheap company made an air device that would have killed them all. Later the rocket further doesn't work and they would have burned alive upon reentry.
Meanwhile, they were stuck on the ground with people trying to kill them because the rocket was faulty.
The astronauts would have died several times over if it wasn't fake. Then, because it was fake, they had to die.
Interesting plots stuff that they never talked about. -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 06, 2021 06:17 PM)
I don't think it's about us not going to the moon but rather about government coverups and how they will do whatever it takes to keep things secret even if it means killing their own.
Ever see the other really good movie Missing which stars Sissy Spacek and Jack Lemmon?
Same kind of concept that takes place during the CIA backed coup in Chile only that one is based on true events. -
TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(June 06, 2021 06:25 PM)
I believe I saw that years ago but don't have a fresh memory of it.
However, Capricorn is CERTAINLY about not going to the moon. The who soundstage idea and the moon and Mars is actually an Earth desert is still talked about today.
When I look at RT news stories about American space activity many people still don't believe it. Lots of people think the Mars rovers are not actually on Mars.
I believe that out moon landings are partly faked. I think some combo thing happened like the cameras didn't work and the photos are real, or something along those lines. -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 06, 2021 07:00 PM)
Movies, music and other art forms mean to the viewer or listener whatever it means to each viewer or listener.
You see that Cap 1 relates to the alleged faked moon landings which is how you see it while I see it as some other meaning.
Neither one of us is right or wrong. That is just our own personal perspectives of it.
As for real life things in space being faked I have not seen nor heard of anything to convince me that it is.
If it was faked then we need a whistle blower to come out with the truth and with proof of photos of the soundstage etc.
Until we get that, to me it has been and is real. -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 01:03 AM)
Just as I thought.
You are going to be stubborn and close minded and act as if what you say goes no matter what.
Thankfully I am not like that and am way more open minded than you are when it comes to art forms.
As I said, everything in every movie is always open for ones own interpretation of it.
Yes, I am aware that there are bullshit rumors or conspiracy theories with no proof that the moon landings were faked.
However there were no deaths and cover ups, that I am aware of, which the govt. took part of regarding anyone who would have been involved in such a thing because it was real.
So that is why I see this movie is more about what measures the govt. will do to cover up things than the alleged faked moon landings.
If you disagree and insist that it is about faked moon landings then that is just your opinion and your take on it. -
TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 01:13 AM)
Okay.
The real moon conspiracy is driven by the idea that we live in some game being played by the people that run the Earth, so same type of thing you are saying.
Also, the movie was made post Vietnam and Nixon, so it certainly has that message too.
I will give in to anything just have movie conversations here, lol. -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 02:04 AM)
OK fine. Fair enough.
Let me bring up something that I think could be a plot hole and get your take on it.
OK?
Keeping in mind this is partly a sci fi movie in a way, like the idea of a manned mission to Mars at the time, so the rocket took off without them.
Could it have stayed somewhere in orbit above the earth and then returned unmanned or with no one inside at the controls?
I'm thinking we may have to suspend disbelief for that one. -
TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 03:28 AM)
From what I know about rockets they are on a set course pretty much.
I have have read, we can't really fly in space because spacecraft don't have control surfaces like a plane does. There's no air in space so nothing to push against. So, you'd need a rocket on the craft for every single direction you want it to go.
So, knowledge of planetary movement is used and math related to velocity and stuff to throw the rocket at the destination. It's like when we throw a ball at a moving target only we are guessing how fast we need to throw compared to where the target is.
So, astronauts don't really fly spacecraft.
I think the movie was okay because the ship was programmed to fly to Mars and return. Today, passenger jets pretty much are robots on autopilot. The Mars rocket was supposed to be like that.
If they altered it and flew it around the Earth someone would see or track it in the 70s.
So, I think that was an okay plot point. The whole story was fairly tight. However, the Elliot Gould stuff was a bit on the dumb side. He was going 90 mph on a crowded street, finds the fake Mars set, etc all without being killed.
He wasn't that necessary a character. -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 03:39 AM)
So perhaps the rocket could have gone to Mars, turned into a capsule and returned to earth?
OK I can get that though I would still think or guess that there would have to be some human doing some kind of control.
Yeah, I can agree about Gould.
They shot and missed at him in the Western town where that was the perfect opportunity to kill and make him disappear him.
Perhaps they didn't try harder to get him because they figured he might have told his editor what he was working on and then some other reporter would have picked up on it. -
TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 04:39 AM)
If you think about it, the Mars probes get to Mars, crash land with air bags, and drive around without any human being there.
These craft get some transmitted commands from Earth with some robot aspects to them.
About the Gould character, I'm just looking at it as a story, without adding anything to it. The government was hellbent on murdering the astronauts. They made a scientist friend of Gould's disappear and erased his existence from his apartment, etc. Gould would have been killed instantly.
I think Gould's uncle of something wanted him in the movie, lol. -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 07:01 AM)
Did they have the technology in the mid 70's to do that with rockets and capsules that have astronauts on board?
I suppose your idea could be plausible since it is part sci fi.
I know that we want movies to be realistic but that is the way it goes in these.
Where a main character or a star is not expendable as the unknown actors and they somehow manage to live because they are an important part of the plot.
When his car was out of control that put me in the drivers seat trying to figure out how to stop it if I was there and I have no idea on the streets he was on.
Actually I live near two very big lakes and would probably try and steer the car onto a beach then into them and climb out an open window when it hits the water.
That or drive it out into the country and onto a corn field and just steer it around on that until it runs out of gas. -
TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 02:27 PM)
I am sure we have had remote control by radio ability for a long time.
We have been sending probes to Mars since the 60s and the first American one landed in 1975. So, we were literally sending robot probes to Mars when this movie came out.
If I was in the car, I would have ran the side of it into a wall to stop it with friction and destruction.
If I was a CIA assassin, I would have shot myself for lack of success killing him, lol.
He's in a ghost town with no one around and I missed with the first shot—better run away! -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 06:13 PM)
OK but those probes to Mars are on a one way trip where they land and then litter the Mars landscape becoming space junk.
When the men were coming back from the moon they got into a craft where they would have pushed a button to give them a boost to meet the orbiting capsule and then have to manually control the two crafts to meet.
Same thing here.
There are going to be limits for what NASA can control from the earth where a mission with humans are concerned.
Like it needs humans to land the space shuttle.
So I would think that they could have just left the rocket alone and let it go and then build them another capsule and put that in the ocean and they would have been picked up in that.
As I mentioned the gear that would have needed human control can be overlooked or belief suspended with this being a partly sci fi movie.
But then why bother having this be a manned mission to Mars if it all could have been controlled from earth in the first place. -
TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 09:10 PM)
You made me think of a real plot hole!
It exists in real life NOW!
Elon Musk keeps saying he will go to Mars. However, we have no craft capable of going to Mars, landing, then taking back off again. So, it's never going to happen.
That was the same thing in the movie. You can't send a rocket to Mars because it will not have the ability to land and take off again.
You would need a "mothership" with some kind of landing and takeoff shuttle in it.
So, the story in the movie is wrong.
Given what the movie said though a remote control could do it.
You shoot the rocket at Mars, given it orbit commands, then give it commands to return.
As long as the radio signals reached it would work. -
Deluded Juice — 4 years ago(June 07, 2021 10:04 PM)
TheAdlerian said...
You made me think of a real plot hole!
It exists in real life NOW!
Elon Musk keeps saying he will go to Mars. However, we have no craft capable of going to Mars, landing, then taking back off again. So, it's never going to happen.
That was the same thing in the movie. You can't send a rocket to Mars because it will not have the ability to land and take off again.
You would need a "mothership" with some kind of landing and takeoff shuttle in it.
So, the story in the movie is wrong.
Given what the movie said though a remote control could do it.
You shoot the rocket at Mars, given it orbit commands, then give it commands to return.
As long as the radio signals reached it would work.
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Then why bother sending a manned mission to Mars if they can do that and did they have the technology around back then for doing things remote at that distance?
Like I mentioned before, they would need men at the controls for doing a full on mission.
So I doubt they could return a capsule with no one on board.
If you disagree and want to prove your points then you need to come up with proof to back it up instead of just guessing. -
TheAdlerian — 4 years ago(June 08, 2021 01:22 AM)
Deluded Juice said...
Then why bother sending a manned mission to Mars if they can do that and did they have the technology around back then for doing things remote at that distance?
Like I mentioned before, they would need men at the controls for doing a full on mission.
So I doubt they could return a capsule with no one on board.
If you disagree and want to prove your points then you need to come up with proof to back it up instead of just guessing.
I'm not going to all that trouble lol.
If you want, read about the probes to Mars since 1962.
They sent them there, the radioed data back about atmosphere and so forth before I was born. That means devices in the probe received and transmitted complex info.
What's being done today is the same thing. As long as a device can pick of a signal machines inside it can be triggered.
We now have a helicopter on Mars flying around.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radio-controlled_aircraft
Radio controlled aircraft were invented in 1938.