Were the moon landings faked?
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hueydoc — 21 years ago(January 31, 2005 07:02 PM)
You would have been able to find the webmaster's name if you had clicked on the link titled "ABOUT THE AUTHOR" (Big clue to where to find his name). It contains his bio and his qualifications. I guess the reason "some people" can't grasp the fact that we went to the moon "skimmed through" all the evedence. If you TAKE THE TIME TO READ all the evedence you will be able to understand it.
The conspiracy theorists are conspiring against me. -
heresjay — 21 years ago(March 25, 2005 09:36 AM)
Wamies writes:
"In that case, whoever runs the site (i skimmed through it, and i couldn't find a name of the web owner) uses the oldest trick in the book."
I am the author of Clavius.org, and I have read Bennett and Percy's book. Please show which quotes I have taken out of context.
"I would like to have some info on the researchers there."
Send your real name and address to webmaster@clavius.o rg and I will send you my resume and those of our contributors. The site now has my name on it. At the time you read it, I was getting threats. That has been resolved.
"I read some sort of a "trust me I have a phd" info about this person."
No. What you read was specifically the opposite that you shouldn't trust me just because I say I have degrees and experience, but because you can test these things out yourself.
"Whoever runs the site put alot of vested interest in the Dark Moon"
I discuss all the authors.
The site is a bit heavy on Bennett and Percy because they abruptly stopped responding to my questions and deleted all my discussion from their web site. I created the site to reproduce the debates I had with them. They were invited to defend their arguments in "Conspiracy Moon Landing" but declined the invitation.
What I find suspicious are authors who publish serious accusations, decline to respond to their critics (even suppressing criticism), and answer all questions with, "You must buy all of our materials first."
"you made this very telling statement earlier about 'people that believe in the hoax theory either don't look into it deep enough"
But then you yourself say, "Like I said before, I don't know where I stand on the issue. I haven't researched it enough." This is exactly what was said. You haven't researched it enough, therefore you are one of the people who hasn't looked into it deeply. I have. I have spent more than five years investigating these various conspiracy theories, and I can tell you with full confidence that they are riddled with inaccuracy, deception, and very poor reasoning.
The real hoax is that these authors are just trying to get your money.
"FOX had the special program discussing the NASA inconsistencies. The program was called, 'Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon'"
No. Fox's program was entitled "Conspiracy: Did We Land on the Moon?" The other film, "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Moon" is by Bart Sibrel, and was never broadcast on Fox, although Sibrel contributed to the Fox program.
Heads seriously rolled at Fox over what was largely an unchallenged advertisement for the conspiracy theories. Fox News (which is actually a separate company) even had experts on refuting it. Part of Fox Entertainment's "penance" for having broadcast that piece of rubbish is that they now distribute Mark Gray's excellent series of unedited Apollo footage.
"NASA director for the media Brian Welch had no response to leading researcher's questions"
Gee, a program produced by people favoring one particular theory doesn't paint a flattering picture of their opponents. What a shocker! Did it occur to you that Welch came across as dismissive because that's what the program's producer wanted to have happen?
I spoke to Brian O'Leary, the pre-Apollo astronaut interviewed for the program, about his contribution. He said that he gave the producers a half-hour interview in which he affirmed several times he believed the moon landings were real. But the producers used only the few seconds that sounded like he might have doubts. The LM expert (his name eludes me momentarily) threatened legal action against the producers for misrepresenting his comments.
Does this sound like a trustworthy film?
"I know that the whole moon mission is very hoaxable."
Irrelevant. Arguing that it's not impossible is not anywhere close to showing it was actually done that way. It was also very achievable, and there is a ton of evidence to show it was achieved. That's all the evidence your authors are struggling to explain away.
"And NASA does have a credibility problem on many issues of the past and present."
Not nearly as many as your authors, who are blatantly lying about who they are and what they know. And they run and hide from critics.
Why won't Bennett and Percy debate me? Why won't Ralph Rene debate me? Why do they confine their remarks to lay audiences who don't have the knowledge to see through their crap? -
nawlinsurfer-1 — 20 years ago(September 30, 2005 09:11 PM)
Bottom line is that the U.S. made 6 moon landings from 1969-1972. I could fathom faking one - possibly two, but not six missions. Too many NASA administrators, astronauts, scientists and engineers would have to be "kept quiet" and that's just impossible on such a large scale again, 6 missions! Unfortunately, yes, America wastes billions of taxpayer dollars on frivolous, repetitive space missions rather than use the money for things on earth such as medical care for the elderly & disabled, reinforcing the levees in New Orleans, fixing potholes nationwide, creating jobs & housing for the homeless, andoh, maybe having bomber squadrons drop large dry ice blocks over tropical storms in their infancy before they develop into hurricanes. Don't knock it until you try it and at least give it a test run. It could save lives and it would at least be money well spent for a "giant leap for mankind."
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halfinn — 20 years ago(January 08, 2006 10:36 AM)
"maybe having bomber squadrons drop large dry ice blocks over tropical storms in their infancy before they develop into hurricanes. Don't knock it until you try it and at least give it a test run. It could save lives and it would at least be money well spent for a "giant leap for mankind." "
You gotta be kidding me. You're grasp of the SCALE of weather formations in comparison to something as insignificant as a block of dry ice is abyssmal. They don't need to try it to know it won't do squat. The phrase "snowball's chance in hell" comes to mind. -
zarathustra2k1 — 11 years ago(September 05, 2014 10:11 PM)
You're grasp of the SCALE of weather formations in comparison to something as insignificant as a block of dry ice is abyssmal
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lseybold-2 — 16 years ago(August 25, 2009 09:33 AM)
Just for starters, pictures of the Apollo Lunar Module descent stages on the Moon's surface.
http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/LRO/multimedia/lroimages/apollosites .html
Why do you think they didn't go?
"I am a collage of unaccounted for brush strokes, and I am all random!"
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lseybold-2 — 16 years ago(August 26, 2009 09:45 AM)
Actually, the crews of Apollo 11, 12 and 14 did sleep with their spacesuits on while they were on the Moon, although they took off their helmets and gloves. The Apollo 15 LM crew (Dave Scott and James Irwin) were the first to take off their suits to sleep:
"For the first time, no bulky spacesuit would compromise an astronaut's sleep on the Moon. The newly designed suits not only offered more mobility, to aid the work on the surface, but were easier to put on and take off, affording [Irwin] and Scott the luxury of stripping down to their long johns and placing the suits, like stowaways, in the back of the tiny cabin." Page 415-16 of
A Man On The Moon
by Andrew Chaikin.
"I am a collage of unaccounted for brush strokes, and I am all random!"
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lseybold-2 — 16 years ago(August 26, 2009 10:02 AM)
Can we get footage of after they left?
Here's a short clip from Apollo 17. The cameraman (Ed Fendell) pans around the lunar surface after the LM lifts off. You need Real Player though.
http://history.nasa.gov/alsj/a17/a17v.1880034.rm
If you don't have Real Player, there's a shorter version of this clip at the Apollo Archive site. Click on 'Apollo Multimedia' and scroll down to Apollo 17.
http://www.apolloarchive.com/apollo_archive.html
"I am a collage of unaccounted for brush strokes, and I am all random!"
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lseybold-2 — 16 years ago(August 26, 2009 02:39 PM)
Also, how did they get in and out of the Apollo?
I assume you mean how did they get into and out of Apollo Lunar Module while they were on the Moon's surface. From Jay Windley's site Clavius:
The forward hatch occupied the middle segment of the front wall of the cabin (Fig. 2), beneath the center instrument panel. The commander normally stood to its left and the lunar module pilot (LMP) stood to the right. After donning their suits and PLSSes, the pressure was bled away into space and the LMP opened the door. It was hinged on his side, so he had to crowd toward his side of the cabin and hold the door open against his legs. The commander would then turn round, get down on his hands and knees, and back out onto the porch. After he had gone down the ladder, the LMP could close the door, move to the commander's side of the cabin, open the door again, and repeat the commander's procedure.
The ingress procedure was the reverse. The LMP entered first on hands and knees, stood up and closed the door so that he could move to his side of the cabin, then held the door open for the commander. After the commander was in and standing, the door could be sealed and the cabin again filled with oxygen.
http://www.clavius.org/lmdoors.html
Photographs of Buzz Aldrin crawling out of the LM:
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS11-40-5862
http://www.lpi.usra.edu/resources/apollo/frame/?AS11-40-5863
"I am a collage of unaccounted for brush strokes, and I am all random!"