Two plot holes?
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shrink54 — 16 years ago(February 06, 2010 06:49 AM)
- They are told the person died in surgery, and they take the organs. Then bury the rest. The family wouldnt notice a thing!
- Dr Harris was losing it at that point, so he probably didnt think of the after-affects, since he knew Susan had told Mark, Dr. Morelind (the psychiatrist) and whoever else. Its not really a plot hole.
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ARoggen — 12 years ago(April 13, 2013 06:32 PM)
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ProudTraitor — 12 years ago(June 02, 2013 12:21 AM)
Regarding Harold Shipman, I just had a crazy thought. What if those deaths were also a result of some conspiracy like the one in this movie and he was just a scapegoat ? I'm far from being a conspiracy theorist, but the though of Shipman combined with this movie's plot gave ma that (fictional) idea. Let's entertain it for a while, just for the fun on it. Do you think it's possible at least in the tiniest possibility?
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HenryCW — 15 years ago(February 21, 2011 01:12 PM)
Only two plot holes? I find the way Susan (and to a lesser extent, Mark) behaved in the film totally ridiculous. I haven't read the book and hope it is better.
Several times I wanted to yell at Susan: "Call the police!". After that maintenance guy was electrocuted, Susan already discovered by herself the gas lines leading to OR8. Mark refused to believe in her.
Then later, Susan was attacked in the lecture theater by the hit man, and after using the fire extinguisher on him, she escaped to that room full of bodies. She finally got away by pushing ten or more dead bodies to fall on top of him, but not before he fired one or two shots hitting some dead men. Wasn't it time to call the police to investigate, girl? Instead, all she did was to tell Mark, who of course did not believe her.
Some
boyfriend! Strangely, the police did not come to investigate either despite the mess she had made.
Then Susan attended the guided tour at the Jefferson Institute as if nothing had happened!! She then did some sleuthing on her own and even overheard them auctioning human organs on the phone. She was discovered, crashed a window, and finally escaped by lying flat on top of an ambulance. All Susan had to do was to call the police and all the evidence would have been there at the Institute. Instead, she approached Dr. Harris and of course got drugged.
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bluestocking-7 — 14 years ago(February 09, 2012 07:50 PM)
You have a point there.
Turner Classic Movies produced several one-hour specials on the top cinematic genres.
In "The Suspenseful World of Thrillers," there's a part where several guests pointed out that a good thriller should answer the question:
Why didn't they go to the police?
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puirt-a-beul — 10 years ago(October 11, 2015 03:15 AM)
several guests pointed out that a good thriller should answer the question:
Why didn't they go to the police?
Absolutely. The film essentially saying "Because she didn't" really doesn't cut it. Once she found tangible evidence of something not-right the gas lines it's moved way out of "no-one will believe me" territory.
I guess someone had to get suspicious eventually either by noticing the apparent incompetence of the anaesthetics staff, or the fact that the unexpected comas were all happening in the one operating theatre but once she had a reasson to get the police involved, she should have done it. I get annoyed with characters doing dumb things just so we the audience can be shown what's happening.
And speaking of dumb things, why would Harris expose himself by doing the "emergency" surgery on Susan? So many people made comments that clearly idicated it was an exceptional thing for him to do; wouldn't people start to ask
why
he was doing it? If the gas was in place, even if another surgeon had done the op, by the time he'd opened her up and seen her appendix was fine and closed her up again, she still would have been in a coma. In the investigation that would have had (finally!) to follow the end of the film, he would have only provided evidence to suspect him.
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elgatony — 9 years ago(December 10, 2016 05:39 PM)
As to part 1, sure she could call the police but these are high powered people in society and not just at the hospital. The police would NEVER take the accusation seriously and the data/charts could "mysteriously" disappear. However, in this movie, they don't. They're left right out on the desk for Bujold to find. How many high-powered banker, medical, political or military criminals do you know get arrested? Right. She'd have been blown off by the cops and later found dead except Harris hired the most inept hitman to do so.
As to part 2, yeah it was VERY stupid of Harris to admit he made the diagnosis and operate himself. Had another doctor operated, he'd have seen nothing on the X-rays and nothing when he opened her up. Ending up in a coma due to an unnecessary surgery would've implicated Harris so imo he eliminated a potential loose end by operating himself and explaining why as he went through the procedure. (side note: they don't know what an "Innie" is??? Just how incompetent IS that hospital? lol) Still, would the Chief of a hospital want the stigma of a patient going into a coma at his hands? Either way, it's a risk and he took the easier path.
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THOMASSU — 13 years ago(June 30, 2012 04:56 PM)
The doctors visiting the Jefferson Institute didn't seem surprised that there were only young, attractive and healthy looking people in "storage".
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Amry0217 — 13 years ago(January 22, 2013 12:46 PM)
How did that hit man know which door Susan Wheeler fled into? Like the amphitheater or the meat locker? So he's checking under the covers over the bodies, why just this body here and that one there? why not every last body
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