If you want to hear the ORIGNAL original mono.
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recklesscow — 9 years ago(October 14, 2016 02:37 AM)
Honestly, after some more research even I am confused about thisagain.
I just came across a forum post on Blu-ray.com where a user states that the mono track heard on the 35th anniversary discNOT the one included in the box setis the real-deal original mono and that the Criterion track was already one of the compromised Anchor Bay mixes they passed off as the original mono starting all the way back in the 1990s.
This user claims he discovered the 35th anniversary disc got it right by comparing sound cues from a VHS copy of the film and confirming they are identical to the track on the 35th anniversary disc. He/she has other reviewers backing them up and now there seems to be some assent that Anchor Bay did not get it wrong on that disc. They state it sounds "wonky" because it always sounded wonky in '78 due to its budget.
Years ago, I had also heard the track was re-recorded by Anchor Bay to iron out some issues and make it more polished, but I can't find that post any more.
The issue is so confusing.
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GorchBrother — 9 years ago(October 14, 2016 04:31 AM)
Later on in that thread though there seems to be the consensus that after complaints about the 35th Anniversary release making the false claim of having the "original" mono (verifiable by the thunder SFX that were added in the nineties), the disc that was included in the boxed set did finally include the actual original track in lossless quality. The 2007 release had the original track but in a Dolby Digital compressed format.
Personally speaking, it doesn't bother me when watching although I do think that there's little reason not to preserve the sounds that were adequate for the movie to be a success thirty odd years ago. But the experience of watching Halloween with its current 7.1 track does not suffer one bit from being deprived of the ability to detect the limitations of the format it was originally released with.
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recklesscow — 9 years ago(October 15, 2016 08:12 PM)
I watch the film with the new audio, but some people are all about authenticity and original soundtracks. Regardless, it's film and some people are passionate about making sure it isn't altered too much, like Star Wars. Also, films do win Oscars for sound, so messing with a film's original audio can obviously be sacrosanct to some.
I am very anal about color-timing, though. Don't f with the way a film looks in the color department. That's blatant revisionism. It goes beyond having a clear picture. You can have a clear picture but the colors were chosen for a reason. They don't have cinematographers for kicks. -
cjh8504 — 9 years ago(October 16, 2016 08:54 PM)
What about when they take black and white movies and color them? Like the Three Stooges shorts, or It's a Wonderful Life. Does that drive you crazy, Reck?
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recklesscow — 9 years ago(October 16, 2016 09:20 PM)
I personally wouldn't purchase a version like that but if other people want to, go for it. The black and white versions still exist. When it's a case of only one copy existing and that copy is altered, it's a different story. Halloween has different color timing versions out there but at least the correct one is available.
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GorchBrother — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 01:02 AM)
What if the cinematographer supervises the transfer and the colours don't look like you remember them when you first saw it, maybe on TV or on cassette?
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recklesscow — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 04:18 PM)
Unless I saw the film in theaters more than once a few months before its video release, I wouldn't trust myself to accurately remember what it looked like. Usually I think most people who claim to are full of it. You can't accurately remember what you saw in 1978, for example. But in the case of Halloween, we had Dean Cundey, Carpenter, and others involved saying some of the transfers were wrong, so in those cases we don't need to rely on personal memory.
Other times we can tell because a previous cinematographer-approved transfer is replaced by one that's not even remotely similar. Other times, the cinematographer themselves is responsible for revisionism. Did you ever see what Vittorio Storaro did to his transfer of The Bird with the Crystal Plumage? He changed the aspect ratio to cut off the sides of the picture and made the colors like a 1990s German crime film. Whaaaatttt
Another Argento film, Suspiria, has gotten some bad European Blu-ray releases that our American one is supposed to fix. I've seen Suspiria in theaters recently and the colors are almost exactly like they were on the cinematographer-approved Anchor Bay transfer. The European Blus have colors so hot they bleed. It'll be a relief to see that mess fixed in HD. -
GorchBrother — 9 years ago(October 17, 2016 03:04 AM)
What sounded good? Regardless of what?
You've already stated you have no interest, experience or use of blu ray and don't understand any of the distinctions. How exactly can you have an opinion on it "regardless"?
We're talking about availability. The original picture is still available so the original sound should also still be available.
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