Worm Rape Scene (Again)
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MountainGuy — 1 year ago(February 10, 2025 02:02 PM)
Apparently not. No extended footage, there was a little deleted footage. The DVD extras stated that those were initially put in a box, which was lost. I think if someone had stolen the box, we would have seen them by now. I guess they just got tossed out at some point.
I don't know that they would show that much more than is already present. What is said in the "Tales from the Lumberyard" extra in the Shout! DVD) was a "series" (unclear just how many) of "snippets" (the word used by editor RJ Kizer) taken from existing shots in the scene were made, snippets anywhere from as short as 1 or 2 frames up to maybe a 1 second or so.
Kizer (the one who did the "snipping") explains that when MPAA comes down with a rating, like an "X" rating in the old days that GOT initially received, MPAA doesn't go into specific detail about why it got that rating, it just states the scene or scenes that are the issue.
It was then up to the filmmaker to decide what parts of a scene to cut (if they wanted to avoid an 'X' rating). So Kizer made little cuts that, in his words, showed O'Connell with a "rhapsodic" or "ecstatic" look on her face as she's being raped, as well as anything that too visibly showed "worm humping" motions. It must have worked, the film was re-rated 'R'. But it's never been clear exactly what it was that got the film the 'X' from that scene. O'Connell pretty much has her "O" face on after her character is (audibly) climaxed, and there are still scenes where the worm is "humping" including one that shows the worm humping away violently, but you can only see O'Connell's knee sticking out (her legs apparently are in a "butterfly" position) while one arm flails and slaps the ground while you hear her orgasming. There are also two side shots of O'Connell underneath the worm that seems to be simulating intercourse, just not up close and not entirely obvious. It's also possible the 'X' was for a combination of too explicit and beastiality.
So, what probably happened is these "snippets" occur at the beginning or end of existing footage in the scene. And it must have been a very subjective thing, so look at what's in the scene now, and think about how O'Connell's face may have been a bit more "ecstatic"…maybe her eyes are briefly open and she's looking at the camera with an "Ooh" moan going on, or maybe a very brief shot of her face at the moment of climax…or one of the shots of O'Connell or her body double underneath the worm goes on just a little longer with an additional humping movement or two by the worm that "drives home the point" (pun intended) that it's really ****ing her and not just on top of her jiggling around…and that's probably what was cut. -
CrazyEighty8 — 1 year ago(February 12, 2025 12:19 AM)
The only thing I've seen is a bit of footage in a trailer that was bundled with an old grind house movie. There are some small clips from the scene that are slightly different. Her scream is completely different.
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MountainGuy — 1 year ago(February 12, 2025 01:50 AM)
I think you're talking about the red-band trailer. I believe you can still find it on YouTube, or at least you could a couple of years ago. I'm not sure if that's a voiceover done by another actress, if Taaffe did that one separately, or how that works.
On the visuals, the clips are the same, the one that looks slightly different is the bit where she's being lifted the final time before she orgasms. I'm not sure why that one does look a little different…it's the same bit, but it looks like it was shot from a slightly different perspective, so maybe a different camera?
Again, I don't know enough about the business side of all of that to know for certain. It's possible that what we see there that looks a little different is one of the small cuts made, or it's just a lot easier to see than the one we're used to seeing. -
CrazyEighty8 — 1 year ago(February 12, 2025 01:30 PM)
You're right. The clip is fairly short to begin with. It doesn't look like much is different other than the voice sounds like it was dubbed over. The screaming and moans sound very different. The visuals looks mostly the same.
I've seen another fan spliced clip on porn websites that reuses different parts of the video to extent it and sometimes plays them in reverse or slowed down in speed. The clip was brightened which makes it easy to see that she has something around her leg that looks kind of like a really small piece of cloth to potentially cover her genitals. You can see this in the original too if you pause at the right moment when she's thrusting her behind upward and brighten the video. I believe this is also visible when she's lying on the ground naked on her side. -
MountainGuy — 1 year ago(February 12, 2025 02:07 PM)
I think the shot you're referring to was done by the double…the one where she's being thrust upward.
There is the one "underneath" shot Taaffe definitely did, about mid-way through the sequence, where you can see the white thong or whatever it is.
On the sound front, I found something interesting. There's also older redband "Mindwarp: Infinity of Terror" trailers online. In those, you do here Taaffe's voice like in the movie, although you also can hear clothes being torn (or at least sound effects of that) while she's being held aloft by the worm and disrobed.
When they changed the name of the movie, they had to redo the trailer and I guess just paid a voice actor. -
CrazyEighty8 — 1 year ago(February 12, 2025 02:46 PM)
You may be correct. I watched it a bunch of times and at least in my mind found the bodies to be different. Early in the sequence after her clothing comes off there are shots of her that appear to be her naked with her breasts. Then there's a side shot where she doesn't seem to be covered in goo and the body looks different. There's one additional like this that I thought was the body double. There's a few shots from her bottom half. I think one shows her face faintly screaming if you brighten it. It still may not be her, but it looks like her body from what I saw of her breasts, tummy, and hips, when she was screaming at the start, when she's lying on the floor naked at the end, and when she's naked moving around near the end of the movie. Again, I may be wrong on this. I'm just going by what I see and to me the lady in the side clip's body looks different to me than the one in the shots from near the bottom of the legs.
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MountainGuy — 1 year ago(February 12, 2025 04:39 PM)
Yeah, from what I remember Taaffe saying on the commentary, the double was used in the "breast" scene, the second "upward thrust" scene, and the one where her arm flies out. There could be another one in there - I guess I need to go back and listen to the commentary on the Shout! release. She gives an almost second-by-second breakdown of whether it's her or the body double, who I think is Iya Labunka.
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BytheWeiV — 1 year ago(March 14, 2025 11:31 AM)
The scene was very ahead of its time. Taaffe said she was going to film enough of the scene then switch to the double but when she got in front of the monster, she got into the strong character giving into her sexuality and then wanted to do the nudity. Also money and liquor helped. Everytime she saw the maggot outside the set and them playing with it was standing upright. So she thought the scene was going to be her standing up with her pants pulled down and raped standing up. Then they told her she’d be on her back with it on top of her she was kind of shock but then thought it would be hard to see anything under it. Then of course the few accidents with it slipping and falling.
Everyone had ideas of what it should be like and how it killed her. The director and writer wanted it to be totally psychologically, the fear and powerful orgasm mixed together kills her. Roger wanted similar but the violence and internal injuries she sufferes from the big size of its penis to kill her. Cameron had ideas but also crew came to him with ideas as well before the shooting day. Someone suggested she cums and then the maggot wraps a tentacle around her neck and breaks it. Someone suggested that she survives the rape and gets pregnant. The crew find her and drag her back to the ship. She has an alien like burst scene with the maggot puppet they had bursts through her stomach. It was too much for this film but Corman used this insane idea in Humanoids and Terror Within. There was crazy like drowning from the amount of semen inside her. Also it finishing her and eating her was come up. It was designed to swallow her so she slides through the mouth and could fall through it. That was in the script when they were building it.
Closest thing that didn’t happen was they were going to have her belly inflated from the semen and they find her with a pregnant belly. Also she wouldn’t let the fx guys make a cast of her whole body. Another thing they didn’t do was when she was lying down, cum pouring out of her was out of the question but they were going to blood. It was not done cause they wanted her body to be found perfect just slimy. She was covered with blood in the zombie scene though.
It would be awesome to see the uncut scene. When talking to the camera assistant guy my friend asked if he saw it. He did but he was there watching the whole filming. He was trying to recall what was different but never really thought 40 years later he’d be asked about it or the footage lost. One did stick out. It was like the scene before where she’s pushing up at it. This time she was wrapped up in its tentacles and grabbing on it. It was similar angle shooting. He said the boob jiggle as it’s riding her was insane along with her moaning whole time same made people feel crazy. A tentacle wound up between her boobs and was bouncing around between them. Also the maggot was making grunting and sucking noises. I tried to remake this idea with ai. It’s on my X page. -
BytheWeiV — 1 year ago(March 16, 2025 12:14 AM)
Hi there. My friends in America got to these big horror movie weekend conventions and meet the people there. They usually have tables there and you buy stuff from them and get autograph and pictures of them. I want to come to them but the cost is so high to just even fly these days there. If a big show happens I might come out. I have not been back in America in many years. They meet and talk to Sid Haig. He didn’t have much infos. He said the set was very locked down that day. Only supposed to be small crew but wound up being a lot due to they needed people to lift the maggot and fix broken things. He saw the operations guys were drawing straws to get on the bottom of the maggot. They would get a face full of Taffy. The one sent me an autographed blu ray from him. RIP. Robert England was also not much infos. Said they heard around the set what was gonna happen and people were suddenly I’m ok getting the stomach ripped open. He also told him the story of the high art guy telling him about the worm **** the girl. Al Apone talked a lot about it. He couldn’t tell much as he was in the head and had horrible sight view an the set was dark and hard to see. He did get face to face time with Taaffe when they did the head scenes. He’s one that day a lot of funny and filthy dialogue exchanged out we’re doing voice over. He tells a lot about building the maggot and stuff that didn’t work or went wrong. They wanted it to lift her up and weap the tentacles around her like it pulling her legs apart in a scene but they were weak and hollow and cantnot hold weigh or keep positions.
He talk to one of Skoteks. He told about the body casting stuffs and reuse the little maggot puppet.
They go to a convention show where Alec Gillis was but it was different. He was in a bigger space with a way long line so you cant talk to him like the others. He does Jurassic Park and Alien and Predator so he has lots of fans. The best source was a guy called Austin Kinnely. He works as a camera assistant. He talked a lot of stuffs about bloopers and errors on set. Also great infos on movie making process. It sounds like directors sit back on set and watch a tv of the shooting. I go watch Christopher Nolan shoot Batman the Dark Knight here and he stands right next to the camera. He said Corman was standing right up in the shooting next to the camera very focus on the scene. He kept telling it do things with the tentacles they could not use before the cutting. He also would watch the shooting. Then go look in the camera and then tell them to shoot again but he needs the camera moved to the left side more. He gave my friend his email and said hed write to him when he thought of things and did. He also told him other people to talk to. One was an intern at the effects studio but he’s the one who wants to remain anonymous. He actually work on more Corman films after and even work with the group James Cameron used in movies. He remembers more of the stuffs from the shot clips not used. Like there was 5 or 6 minutes of the face to face shooting of Taffee and maggot humping on her. A lot was funny stuff she said or did they cant not use. Also a few things of them at the studio watching footage. Sadly he not hear from Austin after a while but he died and so did the cameraman Jaque. Jim Wynorski was at a big Horror Wastland con last year but he could not make it to go to it. I guess they screened Not Of This Earth in a theatre during it. The one did Taafee at a con. I think it was her only one. She’s pretty open to about talking about the scene and laughing about it. He got a lot of autographs and has a card with a piece of her uniform on a square. He said it was a breaking experience for him. She’s pretty old now but has so much plastic surgery done to her, she looks weird. He’d rather her look old and wrinkles up than all smooth and shiny and her lips look big. She also acted like she was drunk or on the drugs. Plus she did a yahoo chat on the GOT com site but it might be lost to the time.
My friends want to write a book about the making of the scene but I don’t think there’s enough for a whole book. The one is a huge Corman fan and thought maybe about doing a book on sex in his films which could work. They worry about the kickstarter programme might not accept such a work. We might release an as he calls it oral history of the making of scene on some erotic blogs or writing sites. I would like details of the cuts to try to draw or ai make them. Also it’s wild how fast ai movie stuffs is moving so may try to remake them or add scenes and make an edit. I also want to make art of how some making scenes might have looked. I laugh about him seeing Taaffe all crunched up against the worm while they shooting her butt and legs with the big tentacles and another guy holding her foot up. I always maybe hope to attract crew members with good stories with the art or writings we might do. -
MountainGuy — 1 year ago(March 17, 2025 11:23 AM)
Thanks for the info. I've tried to find out over the years what was cut, and according to RJ Kizer, there wasn't a lot of footage removed just to get rid of the X-rating.
I never thought about any footage of them just doing setups or other shots that they never even tried to put into the film in the first place. I'm not sure what would happen to all of that extra footage, but apparently, it's unavailable or Shout! would have put it on a release by now.
I think now the technology might be available for a low-budget yet somewhat realistic recreation of the scene. There are adult websites that are using CGI (it's called "AI" now because that's everybody's favorite buzzword these days) in ways that this could be done. Someone recreating the scene would probably try and make it longer and more explicit. The problem is if they were to do that and make the scene drag on too long, it would lose the chaotic edge the original scene had.
But, maybe someday someone will give it a go.
Was the "dialogue" being done with Taaffe during the shoot just people laughing and messing around, or was it actual dialogue? -
BytheWeiV — 1 year ago(March 18, 2025 09:54 AM)
Yes that’s what I want to know for years. What’s stuffs was cut out, different angles, how long of time was taken out. Seeing that trailer scene made me wonder about it. Also seeing the making of too made it seem interesting. I start making artworks of it but want to make pics at least of missing scenes but no one knows or talks about it. I get dms from people who like it and then find out many years ago there was a whole website and community about it. I only find old parts on way back machine but much is missing or lost to the ages. Then they share with me infos they got from meeting or talking to people making the movie and it’s whole other rabbit hole of infos. I see movies made all the time here but did not think about the details some of these guy were talking about. Lots of layers of things that are all interesting. There was lots of neat ideas brought up for the scene not used but these are mostly what people can remember since it is now 40 years old
I try to put the video of the scene up on my twitter. Now I try to learn editing and do a few things with the scene. I always thought it should cut away to that scene where the crew is walking in the same room. It feels like they are trapped while she’s being raped in another part. We’ll see how it flow.
She did some screaming as she preformed in the scene, but the director and Roger were giving direction of what she should do or feel. They didnt not have a storyboard or anything to go off of. They looked at the thing in the warehouse and tried to get an idea of how it could go. They wanted it to be on top of her but no one mentioned it to her til she got on set. Found it was going to slime her all over too. There was a few minutes of her getting thrown around by the tentacles. Sone parts she’d bust out laughing. Since they only had the 4 upper tentacles, Taffee had to stand on a platform so it could grab her butt. It was tricky cause some slime got on it and made it slippey. They had some much going wrong or not working it sounds like it’s lucky to get what they have to use in the scene. The tentacles couldn’t grip or hold anything so they had to pin them to her pants. There was one the guy remember where she’s back is turned to it like where she tilts her head and screams it pushed a tentacle up between her legs on her crotch. It might have been cut to take out sexual stuffs or they did use that on Cabern in the fight with the maggot in the red room. They wanted to yank her pants down before her falling back but she didn’t want the lower nudity so they just cut the legs to not show too much.
Al said he felt like a pilot grabbing the pulley controls of the big tentacles while he moved his head around inside of it.
He said it was like a curtain thing over the face opening where his head was. As he was instructed to help push it along while it was swinging on the chain hooks it was on. The bottom guy moved too and it made the nice humping motion as it moved. When it swung he could usually see the top of her hair. She made jokes is it in yet? Or wow baby it’s soo big. He said she did some stuff like oh god, no no no, not there, then like a oh yes yes. Even did a scream thing like ow my pussy! None of this was going in of course. The guy said it was like a 5-6 minute long shot of her moving her head while reacting to directing dialogue. Stuff like of he’s putting it in, it hurts it feels good, move with him etc. Roger wanted to put a tentacle in her mouth but it didn’t happen. The director at one point said it’s a horror movie not a porno!! He did remember vividly She at one point where she was orgasming lick the tentacles on the side of her face and put the tip in her mouth then laughed. He said they didn’t really do the cut go again action type set up, except a few times. It was more they run for a few minutes of the set ups. The part with her pushing up on the maggot before the rape, 5-6 mins of just her head and face, several minutes of the leg and butt rubbing, then stop and moved her down by the big tentacles to do the tit rubbing scene and record several minutes of that set up. -
MountainGuy — 1 year ago(March 18, 2025 02:50 PM)
Ok, so it sounds like Corman wanted to push it as far as he could. He hired someone (Iya Labunka I think) to be her body double to do full nudity, and he wanted an oral shot apparently, but that wouldn't have flown so didn't do it. The "dialogue" I guess was just messing around because there wasn't any actual dialogue in a script for any of this. The entire scene wasn't even the script that I've seen.
If Taffee was doing all of that, it makes me wonder why Corman even hired a double to start with? Maybe originally O'Connell balked but then came around to doing most of the shot anyway? -
BytheWeiV — 1 year ago(March 19, 2025 01:04 AM)
The camera assistant and intern wondered why she said all these parts were double but she was there. She dad say she was concern for doing the scene in old interviews cause she do regular tv shows like Happy Day and 3s Company plus others I have saw like Wonder Woman and Hulk. I imagine someone back in the day see her on tv thought hey! It’s that girl from GOT that got screwed by the worm, she has such nice tits. It must have been a big icebreaker cause she did a lot of nudity in Hot Chili playing a bondage woman and also the Caged Fury. She has good scenes in there where she lets a guard play with her tits and gets raped and her shirt riped open at the end.
They said on the Lumberyard she prayed the night before with a priest. She also took some liquor to take edges off. She explained to my friend that she really didnt get the point of the scene til she was standing in front of the maggot. She’s a tough high skilled woman, 3rd in command of the mission. She’s comfortable in her sexuality and enjoying it but always afraid of not getting satisfied. Terrifying scared of worms. She didn’t know at the time it was one of those maggots she missed shooting. She thinks it’s what killed Quhad and plans to kill or maybe eat her. With it molesting her she realized what is going to happen but is stuck to be able to do anything about it. She felt she had to do the scene and time out to talk to Rodger. They think she defied her agents orders to do it. She only supposed to be topless them switch but she felt comfortable with the crew. She also said in an interview she got really into the scene and thought it was hot. They said Rodger would offer lots of help to girls who get naked. She opened a astrology business after this movie.
It’s crazy how far ai is getting. I follow this Void Stomper and ai.work on instagram. They always making weird creatures or ones attacking women. I use it to get the GOT fan art going. I make a Heavy Metal magazine type art and Japanese animation style. I’m often getting the hate mail in my dm but I can’t draw and I can’t steal from all the GOT fan arts, there is almost none. I’m going to try to make a Taaffe O’Connell lora model but I’m still learning. I think it knows what I try to do. I got likes on people who feel it has a good likeness of Taaffe sometimes and I’m not using model for her.
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CrazyEighty8 — 1 year ago(March 19, 2025 01:40 PM)
I wonder if AI could tell what is her body and what's not. There are some clear shots of her nude with her face clearly visible. Perhaps it could be compared. When I look at the side view shots it doesn't look the same as the ones where her face is shown or the ones from her feet up to her face, but who knows.