Correct me if I'm wrong, but:
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raven-1971 — 18 years ago(September 20, 2007 07:22 PM)
The fact that he impregnates her does not necessarily mean that they are the same species - the only way to know for certain is if the offspring were to prove viable in their own right. Look at the example of the mule - two species (Horse and Donkey) produce living, albeit sterile, offspring. However, that being said, the romantic in me does "press my thumbs" that they were both indeed Homo sapiens.
As for other species, common consensus says it was too late for Homo erectus to have made an appearance, and even Homo heidelbergensis is extremely unlikely (400,000 years ago is the latest known evidence); however, most anthropologists admit that the whole picture is way, way, WAY too incomplete to not be able to change radically with the next discovery. -
lesstutrey — 18 years ago(March 20, 2008 06:35 PM)
To breed the two would simply have to be in the same genus, i believe is the point being made here. I always looked at it as Neanderthals, Homo Sapiens (Ika) and as for the attacking tribe, utter crap. I always thought they looked more like human like lizards than anything. The book pretty much says, however, that the attacking Wagabu are Neanderthals, Ulams are Cro-Magnon man and of course the Ivaka are just a more advanced early homo-sapien. And actually, that makes sense, aside from the time frame of coexistence being a bit off.
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I_Created_U — 9 years ago(May 08, 2016 11:38 AM)
Between 5 and 10% of human DNA is actually neanderthalian in origin, which not only goes to show that interbreeding produces viable and fertile offsprings, but also that said interbreeding was not uncommon among the different strains of hominids.
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margy626 — 18 years ago(July 28, 2007 12:21 PM)
There is evidence that Sapien and Erectus could have crossed paths in Asia, which i think we all agree is not the location of the movie. Still its not totally unthinkable that the three could have met in Europe, even if there is no proof of it. Im not saying this is what i believe happened but to me its an acceptable enough fantasy story. I thought the movie was great by the way, even though the missionary position focus was a bit out of the blue.
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Henlioc — 18 years ago(January 15, 2008 09:10 PM)
About the location of the movie, I saw the movie for the first time tonight and the whole time I was debating the location. Africa, Northern Europe and Asia are all going through my head. 80,000 years ago, Africa was much more temperate than it is now, but with the mountains and the boglike environment, I have to think that Africa isn't in the running anymore. I peronally think it could have been either Northern Europe or Asia. Remember, the world was much different 80,000 years ago. It's entirely possible that part of it was in Asia, and partly in Europe.
And about the missionary position comment, since Ika's tribe seemd to be much more evolved than Naoh, that was a connection. If you noticed, Ika was laughing when one of Naoh's tribsemen was hurt. The others had no idea what that concept of laughter was. Going with the idea that Ika and her tribe were homo sapiens, they obviously had a better idea of how to survive and continue their genes while Naoh's tribewell they obviously had no clue.
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daggers-1 — 18 years ago(June 21, 2007 01:27 PM)
It was based on a book written in 1911. Of course the science is woefully out of date.
Per various commentaries, the two main groups are Neanderthals and Cro-Magnons, with a possible Heidelbergensis group. No older species are present. The differences portrayed are cultural and not racial.
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BrightEyes_PR — 18 years ago(September 04, 2007 07:33 PM)
The Wagambus (sp?) are homo erectus (the tribe that attacked the Ulams.
The Ulams (Naoh's tribe) along with the redheadss are neanderthals and Ika's tribe are a sort of Homo Sapiens.
They say it's hard being a woman in a man's world, but try being a man in
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tar_palantir1 — 18 years ago(March 25, 2008 04:42 PM)
It's actually pretty amazing that the producers put so much detail into making the Ulam look and act like Neanderthals and then, in all of the commentaries, claimed that they were homo sapiens. Pretty weird. It's almost like they got the details accurate by mistake. For example, the actors playing the Ulam had to spend 5 hours in makeup getting on the brow ridges and protruding jaw prosthetics but then they are supposed to be the same (sub?)species as Ika's tribe, who require no prosthetics.
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moviegeek71 — 17 years ago(April 12, 2008 09:47 PM)
The special features and commentary state that there are only 2 species in the movie, Homo sapiens and Neanderthal.
Naoh and Ika are Homo sapiens (director commentary states that Ika's people are "more evolved"). The other species (Ape-like) are Neanderthal.
If using the shooting locations as a reference; Naoh is from Scotland, Ika is from Kenya, and of course the Neanderthals are from Germany."If I've never seen it before, it's a new release to me."
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tar_palantir1 — 17 years ago(April 14, 2008 03:50 PM)
Thanks, I remember Ron Perlman saying that Ika's people were more evolved and Jean-Jacques Annaud (in the director's commentary) mentioning that the Ulam were homo sapiens, but the Ulam did exhibit a lot of physical characteristics that are normally associated with Neanderthal, like heavy brow ridges and a protruding face with receding chin (an effect that they achieved with prosthetic upper teeth). The movie is based on an early 20th century book by French author Joseph Henri Honor Boex and it might reflect a common opinion among French anthropologists, at the time, that Neanderthals were ape-men (e.g. the portrayal of the Wagabu).
My only real point is that, if you throw out the names that were applied by Jean-Jacques Annaud in the film, QFF nicely overlays modern anthropological models even if the original author and producers were operating under a different style of classification. In a sense, they accidentally got things very close to the models of modern anthropologists, which I find truly amazing. Even if they were inaccurate in their depiction of the individual species according to the names that they applied to them, the overall portrait is stunningly accurate (at the moment anyway). -
gabrielh-1 — 17 years ago(September 26, 2008 06:06 AM)
"The special features and commentary state that there are only two species of hominids in the movie, Homo-sapiens and Neanderthal. Naoh and Ika are Homo-sapiens; however, the director commentary states that Ika's people are "more evolved". The other species, the Ape-like creatures, are representing Neanderthal man. If using the shooting locations as a reference; Naoh is from Scotland, Ika is from Kenya, and of course the Neanderthals are from Germany."
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moviemakingmoron — 17 years ago(December 23, 2008 08:36 PM)
Actualy thy were:
Naoh and his homies are Homo Neanderthalsis.
the paint people are Homo Sapiens.
the Monkey people are Homo Erectus.
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woeyloey — 10 years ago(November 13, 2015 11:58 AM)
the painted people are modern Humans. The protagonists are a more rural variety of modern Humans. The spear-throwing contest participants at the end are also modern Humans.
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snescubes — 10 years ago(January 16, 2016 02:52 PM)
Here's how I interpreted it;
Naoh, Amoukar, and Gah's tribe: Cro-Magnon
Apemen at the beginning: Some sort of Australopithecine-like creature that has remained mostly unchanged, except that they have a thicker fur coat (likely to survive the harsh winter climate).
Red haired cannibals: Neanderthals
Ika and the Ash Tribe: Homo sapiens