Haven't seen QFF in many years, so I may be remembering this wrong, but.
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frightfan — 18 years ago(March 15, 2008 12:06 PM)
Too little, too late, plugpray. I'm not getting dragged back into explaining myself AGAIN here.
Next time, try reading the responses that have been left already, before posting your own. (if only to save yourself the typing)And that's the kind of day it is here in the mind of FRIGHTFAN!
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plugpray — 18 years ago(March 17, 2008 11:03 AM)
"Too little, too late, plugpray. I'm not getting dragged back into explaining myself AGAIN here."
Don't flatter yourself. I wasn't addressing you personally. I was addressing your incredibly ignorant remarks, such as this little gem: "overweight women have never been considered more desirable than those who are physically fit."
Never say never or always. And in this case your statement is totally absurd.
"Next time, try reading the responses that have been left already, before posting your own. (if only to save yourself the typing)"
I was adding to the conversation, not repeating what others have said, so you needn't concern yourself with how I decide what to post. -
Noirkiss_3 — 17 years ago(November 20, 2008 05:02 PM)
I take it you haven't seen a fertility goddes. Archeology 101.
This one is one is from the Neolithic people of atal Hyk
http://wwwdelivery.superstock.com/WI/223/862/PreviewComp/SuperStock_86 2-1568.jpg
Or the famous Venus of Willendorf from aprox 23000 BC
http://www.geocities.com/zen_appeal/Product_Fertility_Goddess_Venus_sm all.JPG
http://ccat.sas.upenn.edu/humm/Courses/Religion/Resources/lespugue.jpg
I think it is all relative to a societies wealth.For a time the aristocracy of various countries found plump women desirable because it showed they came from wealth. Just like hairstyles, what was attractive won't always be so.
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englisher101 — 16 years ago(May 04, 2009 07:46 PM)
- Fertility goddesses weren't always plump. See Ishtar, Hathor, and Isis for examples of ones whose depictions were often not.
- Fertility goddesses are just that, symbols of fertility. It is only conjecture to assume that these were also signs of beauty, and who's to say what would happen if someone considered so beautiful today were to go back in time?
If I were to create a symbol of a fertility goddess today, I would naturally be inclined to emphasize the vulva, breasts, and lower abdomen. That doesn't mean I want my mate to look anything like that. It is a symbol, that is all.
Finally, for a personal example, I lived in Japan from birth to the age of 6. During that time, I never saw anyone with blonde or red hair, even in television or movies (this was during the early 80s in a rural part of Shizuoka unlike today where I can see Cameron Diaz on cell phone ads all over the place). When I came to the states, I saw my first blonde, and I thought she was the most beautiful and interesting thing I had ever seen. I can't see how society influenced me there, and I fail to see how people from other cultures with varying canons for what is considered ideal can still go to another country and fall in love with someone who looks considerably different from that canon if society is ultimately responsible for determining who we consider to be attractive.
While I do think society is very influential, I don't think beauty is completely dictated by society. If so, we would have never arrived at any sort of canon for beauty in the first place as there would be no origin to what things or people are considered beautiful.
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Aerial87 — 16 years ago(June 14, 2009 04:43 PM)
Actually until quite recently, skinny women were a sign of weakness a sickness. Thicker women were more desired. Just look at all of the art from back in the day. Most of those women were quite curvy and healthy. It wasn't until the dawn of the supermodel, namely twiggy, that the skinny phenomenon came to be.
In regards to the movie, they were just using him for his genes. They noticed he was big and strong and wanted their offspring to be big and strong as well. The native americans did the same with black men and I'm sure many other tribes have shared in this practice. It was survival of the fittest and in order to survive, you must be strong, smart, or both. their tribe was already advanced mentally but lacked brute strength.
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jewishman1966 — 16 years ago(August 27, 2009 01:07 AM)
I will lay down the FACTS (since many of you are so clueless, you wouldn't even last 5 minutes back in "cave men" times)
There are UNIVERSAL desirable traits to men and women.
MEN:
Women prefer tall muscular handsome confident men with great leadership ability's. Men with those desirable traits have the best rate off survival and reproduction.
Women:
Men prefer women that are youthful as well as attractive. Women are UNIVERSALLY desired to be of a certain measurement range. SLIM to be exact. Fat women have NEVER been preferred. It's about hip to waist ratio and overall body slimness.
Women with those desirable traits have the best rate off survival and reproduction.
Those obviously aren't all of the universal traits, just a few of the major ones. There traits go further than 4 million years ago, they go further than 500 million years ago when the Dinosaurs lived.
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activista — 12 years ago(January 24, 2014 01:17 AM)
@frightfan
No one 80,000 ago was tripping out over who was fat and who wasn't. That's just your opinion, and that's also just a late 20th-century obsession,to be honest. Up until the early or mid-20th century, big women were considered just as desirable as small women (do your research.) And,yeah, big women can be healthy (if they're not over 300 pounds) but you could say the same thing about big men. Thee were no Weight Watchers in those days anyway, so projecting our current ideas of attractiveness on that historical era is just a waste of time. As far as I'm concerned, there's WAY too much damn pressure on women to constantly lose weight all the damn time anyway. I mean,s***, it's just as damn unhealthy to starve yourself into a skeleton-looking size 4, and unrealistic to think that ALL women should damn near kill themselves to be that same size (which is basically what the media has brainwashed us into doinghell, even young guys are getting bulimia or jacking themselves up with steroids just to fit into what they're told society's idea of a man should look like.) -
frightfan — 11 years ago(May 07, 2014 12:23 PM)
@activista
I guess the lesson here is "Never use 'never', especially online". People with an agenda are likely to take you very literally to use it against you. Did the woman in question really look "healthy" to you? Did the other, more slight women all have no other variation among them except "skeleton-looking size 4"?
Please. You people are completely transparent. Beauty is beauty. Some have it through hard work, some through luck, some don't have it for long and some never have it, but it is NEVER (there I go again) the only thing people have to offer. Being thought of as something less than sexually desirable doesn't keep you from being valued in other ways unless YOU choose to pine away at it and lament your situation. I am no movie star myself and I accept that it's just not my lot in life. Stop whining, goddamit.And that's the kind of day it is here in the mind of FRIGHTFAN!
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Big_Boss_Ogg — 16 years ago(May 31, 2009 11:21 PM)
I just rewatched the film tonight, and I have to stand by my assessment from August of 2007.
- Naoh was rescued from the tidal flats, where as was evident by the skull, at least one other human had been left there to die
- He was taken (okay, so he was )bound up into the village, but was released and given a hut
- He was given a lot of fruit and so on to eat, not the sort of thing one does to someone you're trying to humiliate, and the first breeding woman, (chief's daughter?) was brought to him then
- Later(?) he was brought at least 4 other women, and possibly 5, for the purposes of breeding, again, not the sort of thing one does to someone they want to humiliate. (Though I know that on my planet, if someone brings me a handful of women for breeding, I am most certainly offended by this act!)
- When Ika tried to slip into the hut to be with Naoh, (who had after all saved her life, she felt, and had certainly laid claim to her earlier in the camp with Amouka and Gar) she tried to lie down quietly beside him, and there sleeping in the hut was the chief, the big man of the village, as well.(certainly a great dishonor any way you look at it)
- So I have to reiterate; once Ika nade clear that he was the reason she was still alive, and once the chief inspected Naoh's 'equipment' and was probably awed by it, they knew they had to get his genes into their tribe. After all, the men were puny, only the women had any meat on them, so a big strapping male like Naoh was gold.
Despite what the book may have said, that's no reason to assume that that's how it will go in the finished product. The director might well have wanted there to be an intermingling of the tribes; since this film was a lifelong goal of his to make, as noted by Orson Welles in the extras section, he may have dwelt on it for decades, thinking that the author might have gotten at least that aspect wrong. Then, it's a simple matter to have the screenwriter adjust the script.
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inkheart-1 — 15 years ago(December 23, 2010 11:08 AM)
I thing you missguide the idea of the movie director and the idea of the novel. I think he knew what he was doing back then and i stand for the idea about the fat women. Don't you people learn history? have you saw this ancient little statue of fat mother goddess? I don't care what's written in the novel i judge by that what's put into the movie.
