Nurse Jill's shoes fall off. Brilliant!
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cjh8504 — 10 years ago(March 25, 2016 04:37 PM)
It's in my nature. "Everyone should like everything I do, and if you don't, you suck." Or at least respect what I like. I'm sorry, but that's how I think.
RIP Wayne 'Trapper John' Rogers. MASH wasn't the same w/o you. RIP Tony Burton. RIP George Kennedy -
cjh8504 — 10 years ago(March 26, 2016 04:37 PM)
Because, some of what others like is crap. Now, I know you'll say, "Well, some might think what you like is crap, Cj." And, they can think that, but it's not the case. There's a big difference between Rocky or Raiders of the Lost Ark, almost universally loved, award winning movies and some of the movies Kurt says he likes, for example. Halloween 5, 6, and the like. I mean, come on. There's the Beatles, then there's GWAR. I think I've told you this before, Barn. Some things are beyond reproach, and if someone doesn't like them, then THEY'RE the wackos. And
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simest — 10 years ago(March 26, 2016 05:59 PM)
Why should anyone respect what you like when you don't return any of that respect or show any respect in the first place?
Indeedand some might say that anyone whose Top Ten Movies of All Time list includes ROCKY II, TEENAGE MUTANT NINJA TURTLES and BATMAN RETURNS is hardly in a position to mock anyone.
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simest — 10 years ago(March 26, 2016 01:42 AM)
Indeed.johnfuture gave an honest, well formulated opinion with good explanation.
I enjoyed his post.
He also has good knowledge on the subject and can apply this to his reasoning.
And I doubt he has any problem with those who don't share his view because he is happy with his own.
These are all things cj has been historically incapable of in his time here and while I'm sure he'd love to light a fuse and recruit John to fight his battles over HALLOWEEN II, I'm hoping rather he can learn from this thread how people can put together a post of more than 2 lines that gives clear reasoning in expressing a view while respecting the views of others.
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cjh8504 — 10 years ago(March 26, 2016 04:40 PM)
Nope. I have not the time nor the patience to type, especially on my phone, anything more than a couple lines, Sim. I read, reply quickly then I'm outta here. No fuss, no muss.
RIP Wayne 'Trapper John' Rogers. MASH wasn't the same w/o you. RIP Tony Burton. RIP George Kennedy -
simest — 10 years ago(March 26, 2016 04:50 PM)
Based on your post history, I'd say you have the time.
I read, reply quickly then I'm outta here. No fuss, no muss.
And in doing so..little or no substance.
Instead of chirping into scores of threads on a daily basis without really saying much, you might be better off commenting on fewer threads but actually offering something of detailed meaning.
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cjh8504 — 10 years ago(March 26, 2016 04:55 PM)
How condescending! Just cause you think, and Barney, and a couple others no doubt ,think I offer no meaning, no substance, then it must be true. I'm more liked on other boards I frequent. They seem to think I add plenty. I keep conversations going. Without my daily input, these boards would be dead. I told you off in a nice long post later in this thread. Take a look.
RIP Wayne 'Trapper John' Rogers. MASH wasn't the same w/o you. RIP Tony Burton. RIP George Kennedy -
cjh8504 — 10 years ago(March 27, 2016 06:20 PM)
It would. Without a doubt. Of course it could. I'm the reason you yahoos come here. Without me, there'd be no one to give grief to. You know it. Just try not to reply. Even to my innocuous posts. You couldn't do it. You're alllllllllll obsessed with me. I await your many replies.
RIP Wayne 'Trapper John' Rogers. MASH wasn't the same w/o you. RIP Tony Burton. RIP George Kennedy -
simest — 10 years ago(March 25, 2016 06:57 PM)
I prefer II over the original, but then I'm not one of those people who waxes lyrical over how groundbreaking Carpenter's film was. It's certainly an achievement, but sound artistic choices aside, he didn't pioneer anything.
It's true that HALLOWEEN did not pioneer many of the techniques that people often claim it did..but in many ways it executed them in a manner and setting that made it all the more striking.
American suburbia..broad daylightfamiliar, everyday, safe setting turned on it's head.
The anamorphic steadicam, prowling the plush streets of Haddonfield somehow gave a queasy sense of unease to what should be a secure setting where safety would be taken for granted.
I believe this is what struck a nerve.
There is only but one killer-POV scene in HALLOWEEN - at the very opening - so really, people should have little reason to bang on about the movie showcasing this technique.
Perhaps the reason they do, is because it is realized in such a stylish, effective, if not groundbreaking manner.
For all that Argento - and I would agree, Bava before him - and Bob Clarke may have done first, I don't feel any of them gave us a POV moment quite as memorable.
As for the the use of light and colour, I actually think Carpenter was quite restrained in the night scenes - confining himself to pools of blue amid the largely monochrome and shadowy remainder.
When you look at Bava's BLOOD AND BLACK LACE for a typical example or Argento's SUSPIRIA, the colours are far more brilliant with reds and yellows in addition to blue lit scenes saturating the screen.
But even the basic plot is reminiscent of Black Christmas, and it certainly was not the first teenagers-in-peril film, either.
Indeedand the Brit thriller FRIGHT, Theodore Gershuny's SILENT NIGHT, BLOODY NIGHT and TALES FROM THE CRYPT (AND ALL THROUGH THE HOUSE segment) (1972) gave us much the same before BLACK CHRISTMAS.
Again I would argue that it's the execution of the premise in HALLOWEEN that has seen it endure beyond those films rather than any pioneering.
And for all the philosophical treatises done on the film that try to analyze the significance of The Shape along with various other aspects of the film (I've seriously read entire books on the psychological and philosophical undertones in the film), the fact is Carpenter didn't have such lofty ambitions in mind when he made it. You can ask him yourself why Michael kills, for example, and he'll say "I don't know." It's a case of people searching for meaning in a work of art that means something different to every viewer.
Absolutely.and for me the great thing about HALLOWEEN is that it gives you so much scope to do this.
I've always said that for me the film makes a very simple but effective point.
Simply that evil can touch our lives without reason, warning or preference.even within the assumed security of our homes, schools or neighbourhoods.
It could be around the next corner, in the car behind us or lurking behind a bush or your sofa.
No one is truly safe.
It's a very unsettling notion and terrifying in it's randomness - something HALLOWEEN II largely lacks in it's depiction of a guy simply pursuing his sister.
I also take a lot from the finale of HALLOWEEN.
Myers disappearance and the final suggestion of the supernatural is a real slap in the jaw to our smug, modern day attitude toward Halloween and the ancient folklore and superstition that surrounds it.
It challenges us to ponder what if it isn't all superstitious nonsense?
What if there is some dark, unknown energy that can let loose on the world one day each year as the ancient myths suggest?
What if it could wreak havoc in the world and displace the soul of a 6 year old child?
What if it could make him it's instrument of evil?
What if these strange, eerie
myths
that we mock each year with costumes and candy, parties and a Wal-Mart retail bonanza could prey on our very complacency in this modern age?
For me HALLOWEEN II is an enjoyable movie but it has little more to offer than a series of kills that we are simply waiting around for in between.
We are largely locked in a hospital with a guy chasing his sister around and a few people who get in the way.
We are confined to that.
I also find the fact that it all takes place at night something of a limitation.
By contrast, I love that HALLOWEEN is split into day and night because the day scenes are ominous and like a bow being drawn ready for the events we know are coming once it is nightfall.
I agree that HALLOWEEN didn't pioneer the teenager in peril/slasher subgenre.
It did however play a significant role in the evolution of that subgenre by adding elements that became a template for future such films and I would say that it definitely did ignite the subgenre whereas up until then it had only been smouldering.
I've met a few people who prefer HALLOWEEN II to HALLOWEEN.
Some prefer that it gets straight into action.
Some prefer the more graphic kills.
Some the higher body count.
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cjh8504 — 10 years ago(March 26, 2016 04:48 PM)
Aha! Isn't this what we're talking about? He said he enjoys Halloween ll better, and here you are telling him all the reasons Halloween is superior. Can't he just prefer Halloween ll without an explanation, Sim? Man! Do you work for John Carpenter or something? I've never seen someone so obsessed, in love, I don't know what the correct term would be, with Halloween. I don't think you've ever said one thing against it. And if anyone does, you try to convince them to your point of view. Amazing, Sim.
RIP Wayne 'Trapper John' Rogers. MASH wasn't the same w/o you. RIP Tony Burton. RIP George Kennedy -
simest — 10 years ago(March 26, 2016 05:14 PM)
He said he enjoys Halloween ll better, and here you are telling him all the reasons Halloween is superior.
Nohere I am simply telling him why I personally prefer HALLOWEEN - and that's something quite different.
Your brain always seems to blow a gasket trying to comprehend this simple distinction.
Can't he just prefer Halloween ll without an explanation, Sim?
He already does. And he volunteered his explanation himself - rather well I might add.
I've never seen someone so obsessed, in love, I don't know what the correct term would be
Enough about yourself and Nancy Loomis!
I don't think you've ever said one thing against it.
Then your memory matches your articulation.
And if anyone does, you try to convince them to your point of view
Not so. I gave my opinion just as johnfuture gave his.
Yet you were purring about his post - simply because it tallied with your opinion.
I am no more trying to convince anyone to my point of view than he was.
We both gave sound, detailed accounts of why we prefer those respective films.
We explained our opinions in some depth (a concept that seems alien to you) - nobody's tried to convince anyone to adjust their viewpointexcept in your tiny head.
And Darkness and Decay and the Red Death held illimitable dominion over all.