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cookiela2001 — 13 years ago(June 14, 2012 11:47 AM)
<< Of course she's telling the truth, her younger sisters were TEN years younger, and she was obviously nicer to the younger ones, she didn't want to screw up four kids, two was enough. >>
The twins were more mild mannered and subservient than the two elder childrenwho also went through tougher times with Crawford, when her nerves were frayed from career and romantic ups and downs.
Still, the weird thing about the twins is, when Crawford built her "dream home" in NYC with Al Steele, THERE WERE NO ROOMS FOR THE CHILDREN. The twins were still at boarding school, and were put in a nearby hotel with a nanny when they visited Mommie. Crawford had elaborate dressing rooms and closets built in the new place, with huge rooms and soaring ceilings, but not even one little bedroom for those two young daughters to share.
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solex10 — 10 years ago(August 20, 2015 06:46 PM)
This shows more than ever that Crawford was mentally fracked up, and should have not been raising kids at all. It's a tragedy that she was not investigated, and her children taken away from her, as almost happened (IIRC) to Rita Hayworth during her marriage to Dick Haymes.
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rixrex — 13 years ago(May 07, 2012 11:34 PM)
Anyone with even a little bit of studying of personality types and disorders could easily see that Joan Crawford was an insecure narcissist, not unlike some other actors and actresses. For Joan, her children were supposed to behave like her legion of fans with unquestioning adorationm but they made the mistake of being mere children.
Nicely fitting that Joan ended up playing weirdos in B movies later on. My favorite Joan Crawford portrayal is in the original I Saw What You Did, where John Ireland gets to take care of her in a manner she deserves.
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claudja777 — 12 years ago(July 23, 2013 01:09 PM)
shw was a psycho,but
I don t think she did anything of what she did on purpose
she sent em on boarding school cause she thought it was for the best
and all that crazy moves was because she was obsessed with having her children not becoming retarded spoiled brat.Crawford had a brother who was living on her money and that never achieved anything in hollywood even if joan gave him a part in all her movies and more.couldn t even become an extra.she was sure that people's life could lead to something only through sofference cause that's what happened to her.She always felt that the only reason she achieved something is because of all the effortn she put even on littlest thing.she was all about fights over fights and how she said, she never could enjoy really her success.Never felt "arrived".this is a woman who spent months in wirting personal answer to her fans. -
larkpraise — 12 years ago(November 18, 2013 10:11 PM)
Of course Christina was telling the truth. The truth doesn't negate that some of Crawford's films are entertaining and that she was a better actress than given credit for. That's why she was such a phony and people believed her when she said horrible things about Christina and Christopher.
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SilverStormm — 12 years ago(December 27, 2013 06:06 PM)
It is well known behaviour of a narcissistic parent that they usually make 1 or more of their children the 'scapegoat(s)', the ones who can do nothing right and the other child/children are the 'golden child' types who can do no wrong. This way the parent creates a divide between the children and sets up a situation where the children will never unite against them.
That the twins deny any cruel behaviour toward the eldest 2 means little - there could be 2 reasons for this:
a. the age gap was large enough so the eldest 2 were away by the time the twins would have been old enough to be aware of events around them etc etc
but more importantly
b. 'golden' children have learned to always seek the narcissists approval, always to be perfect (which in itself must be exhausting) and never ever to go against the parent, sometimes to the point of becoming said parents 'informer', justifying and sometimes even encouraging any punishment meted out to the 'scapegoat' child/ren. Knowing that this will reinforce parental approval and also ensuring that they themselves never fall victim to the wrath of the parent.
I obviously can't say that the twins ever behaved as in part b. above but you can see by this example that in the family of a narcissist some children would deny that their parent ever behaved badly toward their siblings simply because they spent their whole lives 'brainwashed' into believing that their siblings either 'deserved it' and/or to admit the parent was at fault in anyway is totally unthinkable to them.
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claudja777 — 12 years ago(December 28, 2013 02:50 AM)
I can see your point,still as I said, christina had plenty,more than plenty of time to fled that relationship.
it s true,some parents favours a kid, and that s not enough for them, they favour one and use another to throw all of their anger on
She was an indipendent working actress by the age of 21, she married, but,eh, joan is well present in all those occasions.why?
plus:I mean, ok, tell about all your private shenanigans with your mum as long as you want,really,then people will decide,but HOW BAD TASTE IN THIS UNIVERSE is to go full-details on her private sexual excapedes?Im sorry but that was gossipy at his best.What was this kid,a little louella? -
backus1611-1 — 10 years ago(June 11, 2015 05:23 PM)
"I can see your point,still as I said, christina had plenty,more than plenty of time to fled that relationship.
it s true,some parents favours a kid, and that s not enough for them, they favour one and use another to throw all of their anger on
She was an indipendent working actress by the age of 21, she married, but,eh, joan is well present in all those occasions.why? "
Easily explained. Do you really think a child growing up in abuse acts sanely? It took me having kids for me to finally cut ties with my parents. Long after I left home, went to college, work, etc etc. People don't act logically, especially when it comes to family members. I know a young man who went through terrible abuse, he was the eldest, the other 2 kids know nothing about this abuse, yet he's still seeking a relationship with his father. Explain that. -
claudja777 — 10 years ago(June 17, 2015 04:43 AM)
But also people around her didn't act sanely? noone at school, in the nieghborhood, in the streets, in the gym, in her close circle of friends ever noticed nothing?
NEVER?
plus: u talk about act sanely. in you opinion she was not acting sanely because of this growing u way, well she didn't act sanely enough in yout opinion to say "enough is enough" to this supposedly bad to the limite of sadic relationship but was sane enough to find a job a man, friends etc etc -
toastygoodness — 11 years ago(February 06, 2015 03:31 PM)
Exactly, NPD is like that. Triangulation between the children is a ploy of the Narcissistic parent, often the mother. She plays them off against each other. In my own family she would tell me the other sibling didn't like me, or vice versa. Always stirring the pot and looking for attention, good or bad.
I have absolutely no doubt of Christina's story. You can even see a bit on youtube where Joan grabs Christina's hand on live TV (the TV host had surprized Joan with her daughter's presence onstage and Joan is actually livid, you can see the body language). Joan practically pulls the girl off her feet trying to get her off the stage. I think there was a competitive aspect with Joan and Christina too, another often scenario with NPD. An envy of the power of youth and beauty, when her own is fading. -
shemp56 — 11 years ago(July 24, 2014 02:16 AM)
In the 1950's Confidential magazine was going to do an article exposing Joan's abuse of her children but the story was suppressed. Since then many eyewitnesses, friends, neighbors have confirmed the abuse. I don't think there's much doubt now.
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EverythingInItsRightPlace — 10 years ago(April 09, 2015 08:35 PM)
I totally believe Christina's story, maybe not every detail, but the abuse in general. If I'm not mistaken, most people do too.
J.D. Salinger's kids greatly disagree about an abusive/neglectful household created by their father, too. His eldest child, daughter Margaret is the one who alleges the abuse as well. It's not hard for me to imagine that there's something to this pattern in general. And it's totally possible that each of these children did have different experiences entirely. -
deem_bastille — 10 years ago(April 10, 2015 11:11 AM)
yeah, that's true. I was the oldest child and I was the guinnea pig for discipline. the middle sister was given a free pass because my mother was the middle child and neither of my parents wanted her to suffer from 'middle child syndrome' like our mother did. and the youngest one was so out of control: ultimatum was: you don't get the ROTC scholarship, you don't go to college!
me I was hit so hard once I still had the handprint on my ass a month later.
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