She had just won an Oscar and should have been on a huge manic high. What spurred her to go into Tina's room and start l
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InherentlyYours — 9 years ago(May 28, 2016 01:19 AM)
'I just thought it was weird how quick the switches were. I know she probably had bipolar, but I always thought bipolar's highs and lows lasted longer.'
I agree. She was not bipolar. The switches out of nowhere could be called part of her emotional disability, but it doesn't work on film, or at least in this film. The only transition was her finding the hanger in the closet, and literally looking cross-eyed with inner-rage.
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LoneWolfAttack — 9 years ago(May 08, 2016 03:52 PM)
In the novel, Christina called them "night raids." Meaning Joan just went through hers and Christopher's room at night to look for something to scream about. Unsurprisingly, she'd usually find something.
In this particular instance - which is detailed in the book - Christina's clothes would come back from the dry cleaners on wire hangers and she was supposed to put them onto either wood or fabric hangers (been a long time since I read it, so I forget which) before hanging them in her closet. She forgot to do so with the one dress, and the rest is history. Whether wire hangers triggered awful memories of Her Highness working with her own mother as a dry cleaner when she was younger or whether she simply equated the wire hangers with poverty and the more expensive ones with wealth, class and status, that's up to you to decide. -
shopguyperry — 9 years ago(May 25, 2016 11:11 AM)
The laundry company and dry cleaners to which Joan entrusted the family's clothes were under strict instructions to return all clothing on the covered hangers that she provided. Now I suppose it's possible that on one occasion the company failed to do this and it triggered Joan's irrational outburst. But it was the job of the housekeeper to make sure the clothes were returned to the wardrobes after these deliveries and it would have been her head or job if this instruction was not carried out. It's entirely plausible to suggest that Christina took an incident that happened with the housekeeper and attributed to herself (an amped it up) for the sake of filling the pages of a book.
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shopguyperry — 9 years ago(May 29, 2016 12:37 PM)
What is so preposterous?
Take this article from the March 1955 issue of Private Lives [
http://www.joancrawfordbest.com/magprivate.htm
] and note how similar it is to a tale told by Christina - I wonder if she simply lifted the info!
According to one of Joan's many former housemaids, the famous star is as much a tyrant at home as she is on the movie set.
"Joan would deliberately throw the contents of her talcum box on the floor, or smash a jar of cold-cream on the wall, just for the pleasure of watching me pick it up. If there was a spot on a wash bowl or floor she'd come raging out of the bathroom, sometimes stark naked, raging about the 'filth' and 'slime' I had allowed to accumulate."
"Several times, when I didn't do just what she wanted me to, Miss Crawford would make me scrub the whole floor with a small brush on my hands and knees." -
rascal67 — 9 years ago(May 30, 2016 05:35 AM)
And Crawford did the same thing to Christina as well. Christina comments that the house staff were on tenterhooks and getting fired for things if not living up to Joan's expectations. JC was the preposterous one, not Christina.
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cookiela2001 — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 02:05 PM)
Since Christina's brother as well as many other have backed up the observations of Crawford's bizarre and violent domestic behavior, it seems more likely that this housekeeper was just treated to more of the same.
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rascal67 — 9 years ago(May 28, 2016 03:03 AM)
She was a friggin alcoholic and a control freak narcissist which bordered on a serious personality disorder. There is no other simple explanation for her unreasonable and semi-psychotic behavior.
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agcaoili675 — 9 years ago(May 28, 2016 08:08 AM)
This is probably a weird place to vent out, but I could kind of relate. Isn't it that Joan Crawford developed a hate for things associated with the poor because of her past? The same thing kind of happened to me. I only said kind of because it's not that I was ever poor, more that the people who bullied me in the past acted stereotypically poor.
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greenfairyXO — 9 years ago(July 12, 2016 08:12 PM)
my guess is that she was obviously a perfectionist. OBVI. sometimes when someone is a perfectionist/OCD/bipolar or borderline when they are in their zone, and when things are actually going really well, that triggers their perfectionism. so for normal people, winning an oscar would calm them, make them happy, make the world seem like butterflies and rainbows. to someone who is sick like she was, it was spike up her need for everything to be even better or more perfect than could possibly be. nothing can be perfect but people like her feel the need for it so since she just won an oscar and had noticed something that drives her crazy, it was the worst time to see a wire hanger in her daughters "perfect closet" with "perfect clothes" in her "perfect world" where she just won an oscar.
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mcdaniels-84888 — 9 years ago(August 29, 2016 10:27 AM)
replacing the wire hangers with padded ones once they come back from the cleaners seems like a job handled by the housekeeper. if not why then was she employed? Is something like that not her responsibility?
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deem_bastille — 9 years ago(August 30, 2016 03:02 PM)
she didn't.
she was just wandering around, drinking in her children's childhood and was just wandering around in the closet looking at the little dresses, the little pants suits of Christopher's
then she sees it. a three hundred dollar dress [1940 money, today's money over five grand] on a spindly, stringy wire coat hanger. that. does. it.
aw hell no!this one scene represents the multiple 'night raids' that Christopher and Christina had to endure throughout their childhood. The night raids happened before she was 10 when she was bundled off to Chadwick's. Oh God. Fortune vomits on my eiderdown once more.