Cadet Major Brian Moreland was an idiot????
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ArizonaKnightWolf — 18 years ago(December 05, 2007 08:16 PM)
- The Local Press already had it in for the Acadamy since the killing of the townie. No matter what any spokesman from the acadamy, student or otherwise, said would not have been well recieved by the locals.
- They reaaly did not have a lot of time to plan such a major defense, although it does make sense they should have tried.
- This one does make plenty of sense, but it might be a mistake by the film makers. You would assume the main water supply cut-off valve would be INSIDE the walls of the acadamy, to prevent "townies" from messing with it even before the take over.
- It was an accident. It could have happened to anyone. He wasn't a retard. And that was a pretty good spark, and then he drenched himself with the gas when he jumped and spend the flames.
5)BUNKER HILL had warped his mind towards war and honor. Listen to what Gen. Bache had to say about honor. When the Trustees are counting the weapons, they can't believe how Bache stockpiled weapons of that kind, and even quetioned his sanity and teaching style. Listen to the National Guard Commander and how he re-acts to what Moreland is telling him about military proceedures. Moreland was raised by an uncaring, military father used to giving and following orders. In Moreland's mind, he was doing the right thing. It was the wrong execution of the right idea. Moreland' lawyer would have had a great case for temporary insantity and any trial!
It's a tough universeIf you're going to survive, you've really got to know where your towel is.
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zen0x — 18 years ago(March 13, 2008 04:07 PM)
In the unlikely chance that you might come back to this post:
- It doesn't matter once the information is out there you can't stop it.
- I doubt it would have been inside, although it might have been. I also doubt they put such things inside the perimeter to guard against 'townies' as you have to know where such valves are and how to shut them off, not something the average person/townie knowns anyway.
- "Could have happened to anyone", sorry then you are a spastic quite clearly. You call a few splashes down him "drenched" I am talking about him sitting in a bath tub of petrol to get that kind of reaction. I don't care what kind of spark it was it is practically impossible to light petrol like that, it's incredibly difficult to light it from a cigarette let alone a spark.
- Had it also warped his mind towards stupidity as well? To make such a mistake like that regardless of military doctrine is just ridiculous and contrary to basic intelligence.
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ArizonaKnightWolf — 17 years ago(May 25, 2008 08:56 PM)
I do occassionally check back in with the posts I've made, especially on boards about movie I like, and I do like this movie.
It's been awhile since I dusted off my DVD of the movie, and I'll have to take a look at the fire scene again. As I recall, it was a little more than "a few splashs." I do agree with you about lighting gasoline on fire. A lot of movies take "poetic license" with lighting things (and people) on fire.
Again, I don't think Moreland was crazy, or stupid. Just uneducated in the tactics of a real war-like situation. Basically, he thought he knew more than he did. Like the Colonel says, "the wrong execution of the right idea."
It's a tough universeIf you're going to survive, you've really got to know where your towel is.
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SoTyred — 17 years ago(March 04, 2009 05:12 PM)
Did you miss the running theme of the film that these were KIDS who weren't trained proper in all regards?
The 'idiot' would be the Ronnie Cox character who had numerous times to take Moreland out via sniper, when it was clear those kids would fall apart without him.
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rharrigfeld124 — 17 years ago(March 16, 2009 02:37 PM)
The point was to try to end it without ANY bloodshed or loss of life. In a situation such as the this, the use of deadly force is the last option- PERIOD!!! These were kids, not adults. If were say, a band of bank robbers holding hostages, they would have made a move with deadly force much, much sooner. Again, see my first sentence.
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Polaris01313-1 — 16 years ago(June 20, 2009 09:22 PM)
Did you miss the running theme of the film that these were KIDS who weren't trained proper in all regards?
The 'idiot' would be the Ronny Cox character who had numerous times to take Moreland out via sniper, when it was clear those kids would fall apart without him.
If anybody was a real idiot, it was David Shawn(Tom Cruise). He should have been the one taken out with a sniper's bullet. And in a way, SPOILER ALERT, he was in the end. Only by a whole hail of bullets, with his name on them.
Either way, the Ronny Cox character, Colonel Kirby(one of Cox's best roles in my opinion), was not an idiot. He was simply doing his duty and trying to talk some serious sense into Brian Moreland.
Kirby was trying to end the incident without bloodshed or loss of life. I don't blame him for trying to go through those channels. He even went to bat for Moreland, as well.
If anything, Kirby did what any soldier would have done. And I commend him for his actions.
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robrose7 — 16 years ago(June 26, 2009 05:20 PM)
Important note: This was a MOVIE. Created by Hollywood. In other words, NOT REAL.
Debating the mechanics and logic of these idiots' tactics is nothing but mental masturbation. Read a book. Find a hobby.
The only useful thing I got from this movie was the message about misplaced devotion and the vulnerability of children to the character flaws of those around them.
Does anybody actually think that a bunch of teenage military cadets could stage a violent takeover of their military school, AND FORCE THE ADMINISTRATION TO KEEP THE SCHOOL OPEN? Is anybody truly that freakin' deluded?
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Polaris01313-1 — 16 years ago(July 25, 2009 08:48 PM)
In today's world, you never know. The way the youth is, it wouldn't surprise me if something as tragic as this were to happen.
On the subject of Moreland and Shawn as morally equivalent, there is one difference between the two.
Moreland knew, albeit too late, that it wasn't going to work out the way that he had hoped.
Shawn, on the other hand, did not and was a delusional SOB, which led to his justifiable SPOILER ALERT downfall and death.