Thank you. I completely agree: I thought this movie was crap. There are soooo many better heist flicks out there (incl
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franzkabuki — 13 years ago(January 14, 2013 08:36 AM)
"Heavy influence" is still pretty vague as it is very difficult to substanciate as to how much concrete input he had at the end of the day. And when youre not directly involved in day-to-day decisionmaking regarding the shot selection, direction of actors & editing its not really your movie, even if you have the power to establish the general direction in which things are going. Mann may have ultimately approved of various aesthetic choices his directors/writers were making, but that doesnt necessarily mean he would have done everything exactly the same way himself. Thusly, MV the series cannot be considered his artistic expression.
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PeterBlues — 12 years ago(June 26, 2013 02:10 AM)
when they were in the diner the cars passing by outside was heard louder then them talking inside, and as it continues there sure seem to be alot of traffic noise as the movie is playing out, and then there is the extremely inappropriate background music alot in his felt weak, i just lost tcm and i wish the other classic movie channels, like where i found this, would show movies closer to the 1950's, i mostly find them more powerful in every way. this didn't feel like it held up as a movie, but more like an episode of an old cop tv series, and when they are breaking into the building it was more like watching fellas doing construction work on the discovery channel than an action flick, the sequence is so long its like watching paint dry. the guy who made this movie was a big fan of welding, right?
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the_departed94 — 12 years ago(July 12, 2013 12:19 AM)
Well I loved the film.
I think it's actually one of mann's best. This was when he cared about the story as much as the visuals. Now he seems to only care about digital.
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cactusjac2000 — 12 years ago(November 27, 2013 08:18 PM)
I'm sorry I wasted my time on this. Caan's character was a complete jerk and I had no reason to care for whatever he did. The man was set up with several fronts at the beginning of the movie; there was literally no reason to get in bed with the devil (Prosky). All that "one last score" stuff is stupid. If he were broke and desperate, owing money to the mob over gambling debts or something, then I could see it. But no, guy just likes to steal stuff and he's too stupid not to avoid the bigger fish. I was laughing during the diner scene. Why that woman would go for this jailhouse psycho is beyond me. And the final shoot-out at the kingpin's compound was completely underwhelming. They ain't all winners.
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the_departed94 — 12 years ago(November 28, 2013 07:25 AM)
It would have took Frank months to get the same amount of cash that it would have took to work with Prosky 1-2 times tops. He had no reason to think he would get screwed over.
He was with Jesse so he wanted to get out as fast as possible and start his life with her.
Don't think it's fair to call frank a jerk. The guys been in Prison half his life. His tolerance on beep is lower than the average person. The only person i'd say he was little mean to was the doctor who tells his Okla dies.
Jesse's not exactly a princess, she's worked in south america with her BF, with drugs and stuff. and at point she says she was raped.
These are two messed up human beings. The only way they can have a regular life as frank says is to do his magic act. There isn't enough time to live a regular life.
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Michael71 — 9 years ago(July 17, 2016 01:16 PM)
I think it's a very good film and an under rated one. First watched this in 2006 in my teens and didn't think too much of it and fell asleep but chased it down later and it's a personal favourite of mine. Proudly have the DVD now!
James Caan is brilliant in this as is Robert Prosky who plays a great villain. Deserves a higher IMDB rating really. Good prequel to Heat for fans of Heat. And a must watch for Mann fans.