First, allow me to say that I hate how IMDB removed so many great threads especially on this board. I remember having so
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tsalagicelt — 10 years ago(December 04, 2015 10:06 AM)
You're mostly right, about this era, after the film "Amadeus" was such a sensation to America (and obviously to the rest of the world, since this had a large world-wide appeal, but I can only speak to the situation in America). Even in this post-"Amadeus" era, I still sometimes hear his "full name" without the middle name, but not as often as the true full name with the middle name.
I'm a baby-boomer, so I can also speak to the period from the end of WWII to 1984. The fact is that, prior to the movie's release in 1984, apart from fairly-serious classical music fans, almost no one had heard Mozart's middle name. Even if they had heard it, it didn't register as important and was immediately forgotten.
Even most classical music fans didn't usually use it. In general society, one only said "Wolfgang Mozart" when saying his "full name." Truth be told, the majority of the people couldn't even recall his first name.
Within weeks after the movie exploded on the scene, nearly everyone knew that Mozart's middle name was "Amadeus." By a year or so after the release, when referring to Mozart with other than just his last name, almost everyone added the middle name. The people's memory of the middle name was later exceedingly reinforced by the silly, annoying to many, but very catchy rock song "Rock Me, Amadeus." Since those two events occurred, almost no one has forgotten the middle name, and it's usually included when saying his full name.
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wingtip71 — 14 years ago(May 23, 2011 01:05 PM)
As far as #10 goes, both "Abduction from the Seraglio" and "Magic Flute" are sung in English in the movie because they were written in German. Since everyone in the movie is supposedly speaking German, they just translated everything that was supposed to be in German into English for the sake of continuity. Both "Don Giovanni" (written in Italian) and the Requiem (in Latin) are sung in their original languages, to show that they were a foreign language from Mozart's mother tongue.
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DoctorShemp — 14 years ago(July 29, 2011 07:33 PM)
Here's a good one:
I'm
pretty
sure that Saleri's servant in the beginning (the tall guy who brings him the doughnuts) is the same servant boy that Salieri has around in the flashback scenes. Just a little something I never thought about -
frog-34 — 14 years ago(October 11, 2011 03:14 PM)
After watching this movie for many, many years, it only occurred to me just a moment ago that there is no tangible reason for Salieri to believe in his old age that he murdered Mozart. What we see toward the end of the film is that Stanzi, Salieri, and Mozart's son are all present when Mozart dies in 1791. Thus, one of the overarching themes of the film is that people eventually reach a pont in life where they are prone to believe whatever they want to believe, and nothing will dissuade them.
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frog-34 — 14 years ago(October 11, 2011 03:38 PM)
Here's something else. Try to keep an eye open for the little ways Salieri tries to distance himself from his schemes to derail Mozart's career. A previous poster mentioned that Salieri's servant is the one who actually buys the black costume from the costume shop. Also keep your eye on Salieri when the emperor attends the "Figaro" rehearsal and wants to "see the scene with the music back." Before calling for the palace set, Mozart bows in the direction of both Salieri and the emperor who are sitting just a few seats apart. The emperor could easily, and correctly, believe that Mozart is acknowleding him. At the same time, Salieri is waving his hand to Mozart in a "low sign" gesture, as if to say "No, nono need to be formal. Just get on with it." This could maintain in Mozart's mind the fiction that Salieri is working on his behalf and that it was Salieri who convinced the emperor that the music should be restored. It's quick, and it's subtlebut it's there.
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Low_Rent — 14 years ago(January 10, 2012 06:30 AM)
I might be wrong on this but one thing I remember from the last time I watched the movie was that whenever we saw an opera by Salieri the set design on stage was in dark colors but Mozart's were of bright colors (with the exception of Don Giovanni). Did anyone else notice this? The difference in colors meant to give the film audience the idea that Mozart's work was better then Salieri's.
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yolhanson — 14 years ago(January 16, 2012 06:58 AM)
Salieri: That was Mozart. Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart.
Priest: The man you accuse yourself of killing.
Salieri: You've heard that?
The glint in Salieri's eye reveals his desire, still, to be talked about and be the subject of gossip. This speaks to his character throughout to film. It's also a great little piece of acting.
2. When the priest first walks into the room and positions the chair, Salieri is improvising a melody with a simple chordal accompaniment. The melody and chords are not "resolved" (for non-musical types, that means they don't come to the natural finish you would probably expect)this establishes Salieri as a character who feels incomplete, both musically and personally. -
DoctorShemp — 11 years ago(September 28, 2014 06:40 AM)
- When the priest first walks into the room and positions the chair, Salieri is improvising a melody with a simple chordal accompaniment. The melody and chords are not "resolved" (for non-musical types, that means they don't come to the natural finish you would probably expect)this establishes Salieri as a character who feels incomplete, both musically and personally.
That's a great one. I think I always noticed that subconsciously but never actually thought about it. I guess that's kind of the point of the effect though
- When the priest first walks into the room and positions the chair, Salieri is improvising a melody with a simple chordal accompaniment. The melody and chords are not "resolved" (for non-musical types, that means they don't come to the natural finish you would probably expect)this establishes Salieri as a character who feels incomplete, both musically and personally.
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room102 — 13 years ago(October 11, 2012 04:00 PM)
Good stuff, man!
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tinkerchel — 13 years ago(February 15, 2013 08:35 AM)
I think the IMDB staffs delete threads that haven't been active for a while to save space on their website.
It's sad I know. There used to be so many in-depth discussions about this movie as well as others. All gone..
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frog-34 — 12 years ago(September 18, 2013 09:04 AM)
There's another one I thought of quite a while ago but never took the time to write down.
When Mozart tells Salieri that he threw the "Figaro" score into the fire and that Constanze pulled it out in time, take note of how Salieri says "Thank God." It's very, very dry but dripping with irony at the same time.