in front of your dad??? I sure as heck wouldn't !
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mikeflw1 — 10 years ago(April 02, 2016 03:33 AM)
Other than Bologna's 'movie father' character getting divorced from the girl's mother, and cheating on her mother, nothing is known about their family life. Families, friends, and religious teachers are where children learn how to act around other people From his non-reaction to Michelle's character getting in bed with him when she brought him breakfast coffee, that was allowed.
Would your father (and/or mother) have allowed you do just that, or even encouraged you not to wear clothes?
(There are "naturalists", formerly known as "nudists" that encourage no-clothes at home, but teach their kids to wear clothes in public, in most circumstances.) There are more people that encourage wearing clothes of course, and some of those may not forbid topless or scanty attire at home. Would those rules apply equally to boys and girls?
The movie RAMBLING ROSE had a line "Put those titties away now!" when Rose decided open the top of her dress to try to seduce the father of a family she was boarding with. Michael Caine's character didn't fuss about either of the girls, including his character's daughter, being topless. (That was supposedly explained in a cutaway dialog that he personally was uncomfortable with nudity; presumably he "froze", but might it have been allowed in their home? We do not know.)
Two of my wife's high school and college girlfriends took a vacation to the south of France, and were sunbathing on the beach. After the fourth group of people came up to them, speaking English and wanting to chat with them, the one who was fluent in French (both proper and "street" French) had had enough, and replied to the next group that bothered them in fairly vulgar street French asking "Why do you think we speak English?". Seeing their puzzled looks, it was obvious they didn't speak French at all. She asked in English why they thought they knew English. The group replied they were the only two women on the beach wearing tops, so they thought they must be Americans.
Ouch.
Too true.
So the one that spoke French popped her top off, but the other wouldn't.
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gerdd — 10 years ago(April 02, 2016 05:53 AM)
Different story if it is with intent to seduce, of course.
toplessness or nudity on beaches, in parks and at some homes is supposed to be natural and "no big deal."
And in all those cases it should be totally okay. I also have friends that don't go to nude beaches but still have a very relaxed attitude at home. So do we, actually, come to think of it. -
buckaroobanzai50 — 15 years ago(April 29, 2010 12:40 PM)
"in front of your dad??? I sure as heck wouldn't !"
They didn't do it ON PURPOSE. Their fathers just happened to see them on the beach from behind, called out to them and when they turned realised they were topless and commented on it. They were two young girls on holiday in Brazil where, as the film showed, most of the girls were topless on the beach.
Watch the film more closely next time. -
thomas998 — 14 years ago(August 15, 2011 04:16 AM)
sorry to break it to you, but having spent time in Rio I can assure you that you find topless people on the beach. Though it is not nearly as common as the movie beach where all the women are topless. I would say maybe 1-2% were topless Now what really missed reality was the people on the beach. They aren't all hot you see a considerable number of fat folksnothing quite like the sight of a 200lb lady in a thong.
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gerdd — 14 years ago(August 15, 2011 04:43 AM)
Well, it was and is a bit strange that they would locate this story in Rio (and make it part of the movie's title) when most of the toplessness of beaches (or rather of women frequenting such beaches) used to happen in Europe - around the northern half of the Mediterranean, mostly, but at some stage even extending to public municipal swimming pools - always optional, but subject to some degree of peer pressure from the other ladies in your group.
My understanding is that the novelty seems to have worn off a bit and the frequency of toplessness has gone back a little. But I have also always understood that it was the exception rather than the rule in Brazil (although judging by developments in the Sambadrome one would wonder )
So, why the makers of this movie would place it in Brazil and show an almost 100% topless rate (only exception was a three year old girl who by European standards really wouldn't have to bother) really eludes me - also, that everyone should be young and beautiful is quite unrealistic - the two dads are by far the oldest people there - except for that couple they stumble across.
But to answer the real question of the OP: Would one (not me, I am not a girl) run around with one's b**bs hanging out?
The idea of this is not to excite people by the device of "indecent exposure" - the idea is that wearing tops is deemed uncomfortable and tends to leave marks in one's tan and there is nothing indecent, really, about a woman's upper torso, even without clothing.
At which point the response to the OP's question would be "why on earth not?"
To study the phenomenon a little further I recommend "L anne des mduses" ("The year of the jellyfish") with reference to the mother/daughter relationship regarding toplessness.
There seems to be an expectation by the Young that the Old should stay covered. Which is, of course, tantamount to demanding that everyone over 30 and running the risk of wrinkles should cover their face with a paper bag -
mikeflw1 — 10 years ago(April 02, 2016 04:37 AM)
So, why the makers of this movie would place it in Brazil and show an almost 100% topless rate (only exception was a three year old girl who by European standards really wouldn't have to bother) really eludes me - also, that everyone should be young and beautiful is quite unrealistic - the two dads are by far the oldest people there - except for that couple they stumble across.
Well, let me first say that you and other posters have fallen victim to the camera work, and your own distraction by the topless women.
There was no almost 100% topless rate.
Your distraction allowed you to miss all the two piece suits in the background and to the sides. Even with the foreground movie set included, there appeared to be far less than half of the women topless. Since the camera work primarily put topless women in the foreground of the shots, and you got distracted, you didn't notice the others. Doubt that? Did you not notice the obvious tan lines on nearly all of the topless women? That lack of tan clearly means tops were worn most of the time.
Many of the travel documentaries show the Carnivale Parades through the Sambadrome, with topless dancers on the floats, and some on the street level. In the 1980's, the parade was led for many years by the city Mayor's wife, who appeared to be nude, (she did have concealed modesty tape sufficient to be legal). Some movie producer must have had the idea that is 'the way Brazil is'.
With the young girl in a top, it is possible there may be a law against topless females, but the mother would be responsible for a child, and might be in more trouble for that, versus her own topless appearance. In New York City (USA) there was a mother-daughter team/act of street performers in body paint, and the mother got in trouble for her comparably aged young daughter, while city ordinances allowed her to be completely topless (minus paint!).
I have no idea how many extras were on a payroll to be there, to NOT be there, or if there was extra pay for the topless women, but there certainly was an almost complete exclusion of older people, as you said. That cannot be "real".
Other older characters that you seem to have missed or forgotten are the man making the sand sculpture inside a bottle, and the vendor with the bushy moustache selling iced tea, chanting something sounding like "mais tea, mais tea", (sorry, I do not speak Brazillian Portugese, it is easier to read). -
gerdd — 10 years ago(April 02, 2016 06:08 AM)
My goodness, it's been five years - I had almost forgotten
(by the way, before I forget it over all the toplessness discussions - the tea is called Mate tea, pronounced something like mah-tay if you follow US English pronunciation customs.)
Thanks for re-watching the pertinent scenes here for me (or us.) I have no doubt that you spotted all of that correctly. But, honestly, I just watched whatever the camera was focusing on and - to an extent - what the director sent past the camera in front of the actual scene to give is the impression of "candidness." These latter bodies were out of focus as well, of course.
Still, I don't feel like a victim because of it. I just watched the movie the movie makers wanted me to watch and I am quite okay with that.
In any event, as several others have commented here, in the focused portion of the movie you got a much higher "boob density" that you would ordinarily expect on a Brazilian beach at the time - more in line with what you would have expected in the South of France back then.
And yes, someone else mentioned the somewhat rebellious streak in the girls. Yes, they knew what they were doing, embarrassing their dads without fear of repercussions, since it was obviously okay in that place to drop the tops.
And, since it was touched upon - I always thought that demi's torso looked lots better pre-op. -
mikeflw1 — 9 years ago(April 03, 2016 03:56 PM)
Well, the upcoming Olympics in Rio renewed my interest in the movie, (as well as finding the DVD in a "used/resale shop").
Slightly off-topic
demi's torso looked lots better pre-op.
I completely agree.
I will also add that BIOR was Demi's first topless movie appearance in her career.
To give a little perspective on the surgery subject, remember that Demi has two daughters, and the augmentation was done after they were born. (So maybe the 'op' was to restore her appearance?) I do not quite 'get' why many of the women with that surgery choose to go sooooo big though. IMO, that sort of thing looks much more attractive under clothing than not. (Of course this is a matter of personal preferences, but her movie STRIPTEASE, and even GI JANE didn't do much for me with that 'Hindenberg' look.)
Maybe the thinking is if they will be going through the process, then why not try that too -
SCsurfguy — 14 years ago(October 14, 2011 06:04 PM)
I was in Rio three years ago and spent most of the time with a guide who is a native Carioca. He said that Brazilians largely see nudity as vulgar. Are there topless ladies on beaches of Rio? Yes. But not as many as one would expect based on peoples' perceptions of the city. There are nude beaches, I understand, but again, they are more off the beaten track.
Bathing suits are indeed skimpy, but nudity isn't as accepted as some might think.
Or so my guide told me.