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red_rackham_77 — 18 years ago(September 23, 2007 06:36 PM)
I agree, I feel bad for the poor girl, Redgrave's character was selfish and possessive of her and that is not love in any kind of way. I don't know about Basil's feeling for Verena, I know that he must be a chauvinistic pig and he has no feeling for women's rights but nonetheless, Verena must make her own decisions even if it is a mistake or not bottomline; it is her choice.
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mathmaniac — 18 years ago(January 02, 2008 08:42 PM)
I enjoyed this movie. For once, I liked Christopher Reeve. In fact, I hardly recognized him behind that mustache. The 'lesbian' angle was so subtle and somewhat creepy, I was surprised to find this in the movie; it makes me want to read the book to see if indeed, that was a theme. I could be mistaken but weren't Merchant and Ivory gay guys? This could affect their interpretation of the story.
I was pleasantly surprised by this movie. The interiors and landscapes were beautiful, of course. Wasn't the book by Edith Wharton?
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red_rackham_77 — 18 years ago(January 02, 2008 09:01 PM)
I think this was Chris's third best performance on screen, away from Superman, and Somewhere in Time. I miss the man so much, it is a damn shame that he didn't get to live long enough to walk at least just once.
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Bobby009 — 16 years ago(September 16, 2009 01:34 PM)
I just finished watching this film, and while it disappointed me (as I had been expecting a closer look at the women's movement and a more genuine passion for it) I still found it worth watching.
I'm so surprised there's virtually no discussion here! Because what I liked about this film was that it was so thought-provoking.
What struck me as weird was that not one of all these characters are likeable! Olive is overly possessive and bitter towards men (surely she must have had bad experiences in the past) but still, she was the only one I found some sympathy for. Basil was to me a terrible person, an awful besserwisser. But I despised Verena most of all.
I don't think V ever felt passionately for the women's rights movement - she just needed to be worshipped and taken care of. She was so childlike (how old do you think she was supposed to be?), and always a marionette: First her father's, then Olive's and finally Basil's. I've seen that previous posters find great sympathy for Verena, but I couldn't seem to.
The final scenes with Olive going up to perform instead of Verena ultimately made this film worth watching.
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cookiela2001 — 15 years ago(July 10, 2010 09:27 PM)
<< Redgrave's character was selfish and possessive of her and that is not love in any kind of way. >>
If that were not any part of love, we wouldn't have most of our novels and movies. Stories usually focus on
drama,
rather than a happy little couple curled up before the fire
<< I could be mistaken but weren't Merchant and Ivory gay guys? This could affect their interpretation of the story. >>
The author Henry james was gay, so that element of the story is there to begin with. It's not explicity stated, but of course you can see that some of the attraction is sexual/"passionate". -
red_rackham_77 — 15 years ago(July 11, 2010 06:16 AM)
Possessive is kinky for a moment but when you love someone, you must let them go and if they come back to you then they are yours to keep. Redgrave's character prove that in the end when she didn't go off searching for Verena.
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cookiela2001 — 15 years ago(July 11, 2010 10:08 AM)
Well, the other thing is, Olive wants Verena not just as her closest friend, but for The Cause (which was worthy). She knows that Verena will be miserable with whats-his-name (Reeve), and in the book, she's proven to be right.
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red_rackham_77 — 15 years ago(July 11, 2010 10:31 AM)
"So, there's more than one thing going on at once. And wouldn't we say Reeve is being selfish and possessive of Verena, as well?"
True about that, yes Basil is a southern-catfish-breath-bastard but the whole point of women's libe is that we get our rights to make choices even if it is the wrong one. -
cookiela2001 — 15 years ago(September 07, 2010 08:28 PM)
<< "you must let them go and if they come back to you then they are yours to keep." / and if they don't come back, you hide outside their house every night, slit their tires, poison their dog >>
Dye your hair, say Okay, you'll do that threesome
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Felixthecat34213 — 10 years ago(July 22, 2015 12:29 AM)
I was surprised that I enjoyed it, it's an interesting period piece. I found all of the characters to have a great deal of flaws. Basil's outdated opinions on women were exhausting. Did he even listen to any of Verena's speeches?
Olive was just creepy and possessive over Verena. I get that she's in love with the girl, but that kind of love is not healthy. I also found it contradictory to her own message of a women's rights.
Verena is a pretty accurate and offensive stereotype of a young, idealistic woman that gets sucked into a cause. She's so concerned with pleasing everyone around her that she can't see the forest for the trees.
I thought Dr Prance was the most sensible character in the film. She tries to see things as they really are, as opposed to what we want them to be.