Love the Kreese defenders
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benosheabutter — 11 years ago(March 08, 2015 02:19 PM)
OK, scene by scene:
Miyagi: "No such thing bad student, only bad teacher.Teacher say, student do."
This is total bullsh!t. Nobody told Kai how to deal with Daniel. Yet Miyagi decided that they had ZERO responsibility and that their trainer, who was oblivious of what was going on, was 100% responsible. That's dealing in absolutes and you know who else only deals in absolutes? Sith.
So having made up his mind that teacher, who had no idea how his students spent after hours, was 100% to blame for Daniel's situation , Miyagi set off to the dojo. First, he scanned the trophy wall and saw war picture. Now, any wise man would think "Oh, sh!t. This guy's a Vietnam vet. There's a good chance that he may be agitated to see an Asian man. So best course of action would be that I leave and send boy's hot, single mom instead." Or "Fortunately, I'm an American patriot from WW2. So bets course of action would be to bond with this brave soldier over our American pride and warriorship. Since American public gives these poor Nam vets tough time, he'll appreciate that WW2 vet appreciates his service."
Alas, no. Miyagi didn't pick any of these lion-taming tactics. Instead, he took the most annoying approach which was "stop all activity and gimme attention!" positioning himself in front of the class, while class was in progress, hoping that his presence would serve as distraction. Which it did. The rest went like this:
Kreese:"What is the problem, Mr. Lawrence?"
Lawrence is distracted just as Miyagi hoped. He briefs Kreese on the visitors. As you can imagine, briefing was Johnny's version of events, not necessarily how they unfolded.
Kreese: "Class, we have visitors. Fall in behind me."
Since Miyagi was wh0ring for attention so much, ignoring him would be rude.
Kreese: "I hear you jumped some of my students last night."
This is very well worded. He didn't make accusation "You jumped my students!" while "I hear" means "his is the version of last night events that I got". This serves as a nudge to Miyagi to expand on facts if needed (since Daniel's black eye points out at more than what Johnny's version contained).
Miyagi: "Afraid the facts mixed up."
Bingo. Just like Kreese thought. There's more.
Kreese: "Are you calling Mr Lawrence a liar?"
In translation: "Mr Lawrence, you are so busted." Again, clever way to put a bit of fear in his dishonest student. You can see that Johnny's standing all stiff during this part of Miyagi/Kreese convo.
Miyagi: "No call no one nothing."
Riiiight.
Kreese: "What are you here for, old man?"
yeah, Kreese is now getting enough of this sh!t. Miyagi is obviously here to call him something but backtracked. So spill it out and don't waste time.
Miyagi: "Come ask leave boy alone."
Kreese:" What, the boy can't take care of his own problems?"
Ok, so this is tough one for Kreese. He could throw CK under the bus by going "hey, I don't know what the f^^k is going on, here are Kai who are responsible" or he could have their backs and take responsibility onto himself even though he wasn't responsible. Especially since Miyagi was clearly accusing him ("come ask (that you) leave the boy alone"). He picked an option 2. This is where Johnny's stance starts to relax.
Miyagi: "One-to-one problem yes. Five-to-one problem, too much ask anyone."
Kreese: "Is that what's bothering you, the odds? Well, we can fix that."
he acknowledges that 5-to-1 isn't fair without saying it isn't fair. But he does acknowledge it. Just because his way is rough around the edges it doesn't mean he has no sense of fair play.
Kreese: "Feel like matching, Mr. Lawrence?"
Johnny: "Yes, Sensei!"
Ha,mha, this is a good one. He scares the visitors a bit. They came to his dojo to accuse him of something he was clueless about, old guy beat up his students and is now interrupting his class. They need to cook before he lets them off the hook.
Miyagi: "No more fighting, please"
It's a bluff, you dumbass.
Kreese: "This is a karate dojo, not a knitting class. You don't come into my dojo, drop a challenge and leave, old man. Now get your boy on the mat,or you and I will have a serious problem."
This is a 100% bluff. Miyagi beat up 5 blackbelts like nobody's business. It isn't in Kreese's interest to have him repeat the feat in front of the whole class. So anyone who actually thinks that he wanted the fight is really stupid. he's showing Miyagi that he can't f^^k around with him and his students like that, by using Miyagi's words to his advantage. Miyagi said 5 on 1 was too much, while 1 on 1 was fair, so Kreese was, like, "OK, lets do 1 on 1. You said it!"
Miyagi: "Too much advantage, your dojo."
Kreese: "Name a place."
Again, Kreese agrees right away. Which means that he was never serious about the fight. And dojo indeed would be too much advantage. he isn't void of fair play (hence why his about face in the tournament makes zero sense).
Miyagi: "Tournament."
Kreese:"You've got real nerve, old man. real nerve. But I think we can accommodate you. Can't we -
benosheabutter — 11 years ago(March 08, 2015 05:20 PM)
Lmao the guy who writes a fricken book to defend a fictional character accuses someone else of having their panties in a twist? Hilarious.
LOL, freakin book? Few comments to cut and paste quotes. Hardly a book. But hey, who am I to say there aren't books that are less than a page exactly.
You take criticisms of Reese personally, which is just pathetic.
Says a guy who takes personally defense of a fictional character whom he doesn't like. And attack on a character whom he likes. I have much better arguments than you and that's that. You can't reply with a better argument so you try typical Internet evasion tactic. Doesn't work buddy.
YOU thought he was thinking and pass it off as a fact.
Like when you try to pass what you think I'm thinking as a fact?
I love you didn't acknowledge his actions in the second movie because you know it proves you wrong.
Yep, this is a prime example of passing what you think as a fact. I'll come to second movie don't you worry. Get ready for another "book". I just need to find quotes.
Is it so hard to admit Kreese was in the wrong too?
No, which is why I explained that his decision to put Daniel out of commission was wrong. In a previous reply to your post that already asked this. But I stand by my opinion that he did nothing wrong during the dojo exchange.
I've never said Miyagi didn't do anything wrong.
Good, now I want receipts. Lets hear what he did wrong. I have a whole list but lets hear it from you.
Just that you defending Kreese for everything is ridiculous.
Nope, it's ridiculous to defend character who's defended 1000 times over. But defending an underdog is always OK. And Kreese is KK's underdog because the movies want to make him look wrong even when he's right, while they want Miyagi to look right even when he's wrong. It just shows that I can think with my own head since I'm able to see when such biases happen and call them out. -
EurasianEyes — 10 years ago(October 31, 2015 05:05 AM)
This is total bullsh!t. Nobody told Kai how to deal with Daniel. Yet Miyagi decided that they had ZERO responsibility and that their trainer, who was oblivious of what was going on, was 100% responsible. That's dealing in absolutes and you know who else only deals in absolutes? Sith.
Who taught karate aggressively? And who said Karate is for self defense, only?
You can't seriously see the connection between the way Kreese taught them to be and how they were against other people?
First, he scanned the trophy wall and saw war picture. Now, any wise man would think "Oh, sh!t. This guy's a Vietnam vet. There's a good chance that he may be agitated to see an Asian man
If that is true it proves that the man has some real problems. So he might be agitated every time he sees an Asian man? Manhe had more problems than i thought.
Alas, no. Miyagi didn't pick any of these lion-taming tactics. Instead, he took the most annoying approach which was "stop all activity and gimme attention!" positioning himself in front of the class, while class was in progress, hoping that his presence would serve as distraction. Which it did.
You should watch the scene again before you describe it in your advantage.
He stood behind the class the whole time, not in front. He didn't say a word. His presence served as a distraction though, so what? Buhu or are we playing pussys only when it fits your own image?
Kreese: "But if you don't show..then it's open seasonon himand you."
Of course the bad guy are threaten other peopleso i agree with you on this one, what's the big deal?
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wears-alan — 11 years ago(December 19, 2014 01:37 PM)
And then 30 years ago on this very day Daniel triumphed over the Kai to win the All Valley Karate Competition.
Nobody needs convincing of that, but some DO need reminding.
It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them! -
averagejoeman2013 — 11 years ago(March 08, 2015 10:57 AM)
I think the anti-gay/pedophilia comments are funny as hell. Only a hypersensitive fairy wouldn't appreciate the satire of it all.
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