Love the Kreese defenders
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Kuato_and_George — 11 years ago(September 16, 2014 01:07 PM)
You can't talk to them. They are either nuts or simply pretending to be, which makes them trolls. There's no way to have an actual conversation with them. Glad to see more-and-more people call them out. They've ruined this board.
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benosheabutter — 11 years ago(September 16, 2014 06:01 PM)
More and more people means people who signed up with imdb just two days ago and today respectively. Only to comment on KK forums. Hmmmm, fishy don't you think? We have Gollum on the loose:
Poster who signed up 2 days ago: "Myyyy precioussss, Kreesssss defendersssss baaaaaad"
Poster who signed up today: "Myyyy preciousssss,agreeeeed with eeeeeeverything you saaaaaay, you soooo smaaaaaart."
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eadabfc — 11 years ago(September 16, 2014 09:43 PM)
Sigh.
The 5-on-1 thing was in reference to you defending Johnny at various points. I'll repeat, in reference to Johnny: no human being could seriously defend the idea of a dude responding to another dude pouring water on him by chasing him down with four other friends and beating him to a pulp, even when he couldn't stand. That'd beyou know, sociopathic.
You keep referencing interrupting a class as sociopathic behavior. Just curious, what else do you find sociopathic? Turning the volume on the TV up too loud? Putting chocolate milk in one's cereal? Inserting the toilet paper roll so that you have to pull the paper from underneath the roll, rather than over the top? (actually, that last one is infuriating).
"You are mixing Karate Kid remake where instructor ordered breaking of the leg, and original KK where instructor ordered "out of commission". The latter doesn't mean leg-breaking."
Well I'll be, you got me there. Yup, that totally excuses it. Why let your best fighter fight Daniel honorably, win or lose, when if you hurt him intentionally you can avoid the fighting in the first place! Cause, that's what grown men do, right? For crying out loud, even the Cobra Kai dudes knew Kreese was wrong, and they're the type of guys who fight another guy 5 on 1! Talk about missing the point.
At least you didn't reference "war hero" again, especially given that Miyagi's medal evens that out. Fighting in Vietnam does not give you an excuse to tell your student class, we're gonna enter this tournament and beat this guy fair and square. Wait a sec, he's made it to the finals? All right, screw what I said. Take him out of commission. Let this be a lesson later in lifewhen it looks as if you might lose something, squirm your way out of competing, hopefully by injuring the competitor. This is what grown, US Army adults do. The Army's motto is "RUN AWAY!" right?
And you are right about a new IMdB account. I should instead be someone who argues about the Karate Kid movies for months, stretching into years. That wouldn't be sociopathic at all! -
benosheabutter — 11 years ago(September 17, 2014 03:51 AM)
Any dude would respond to pouring water on him and his weed by chasing down another dude who did it, especially if that guy has history of provoking the guy he soaked wet. Any dude would. And any good friend would join. Now, if CK just randomly chased after Daniel than you can say they are crazy but they were provoked. Also, Johnny couldn't stop beating his ass because of the heat of the moment. Call it red mist. It wasn't pre-planned and calculated which is what sociopaths do. Also, you seems to be missing very important piece of the puzzle - Daniel never told Miyagi about provoking all the beatings. At no point he went "you know, if I didn't pull that stupid prank, I would have been in one piece". Nope. Lying scum made a case for himself where he was randomly picked on, him so innocent, wouldn't hurt a fly. Loser. or maybe he's into pain, like masochist or something.
You keep referencing interrupting a class as sociopathic behavior.
Yes in the context. Miyagi was supposed to calm the situation. Interrupting the class isn't calming and he knew it. So he was calculatingly looking for prolonging the conflict but in the way he wanted it to go (take private dispute into public spotlight). He interrupts the class and nobody likes to be interrupted during their work. Then, he lays blame for student's after school behavior, that instructor is clueless about, on the instructor. That was guaranteed to put instructor on guard. Would you like to be held responsible for something you had no idea was happening? And, as movie showed, Kreese didn't know until Johnny gave him HIS version ("were jumped last night") and Miyagi and his boytoy interrupted the class. So what was Kreese supposed to do? He could throw students under the bus and go "I've nothing to do with it, here are mom and dad's phone numbers, they are legal guardians, talk to them about how they are raising their kids 24-7, certainly spending 2-3 hours here out of 24 hours a day can't be the only reason why they do what they do" or he could absorb the blame as he did. He gave his students protection and, whether you like it or not, was fair to accusers within the "I have to act tough" boundaries. He acknowledged that 5 on 1 wasn't fair, that his turf wasn't neutral ground and that Daniel should train in peace. That Daniel instantly tried to provoke CK into breaking the promise is, again, something that Daniel fanboys always forget about.
Yup, that totally excuses it.
Who says it excuses him? I'm just pointing out that you deliberately exaggerated the extent of injury to make him look worse. He already looks bad, don't you worry, but you wanted to make him look worse hence exaggeration. BTW, that order was totally out of character since, as discussed in previous paragraph, he was fair to all Miaygi requests. So his acting in the tournament was typical clumsy plot device where plot changes character instead of character driving the plot as it should be. They needed to quickly redeem Johnny and hastily switched the main antagonist from him to Kreese without developing either man's motivation to make transition smooth. There was no build up why Kreese would be more worked up over Daniel winning than CK themselves, and there wa sno build up to Johnny's sudden change of heart either (last we saw of him before tournament was making Daniel jealous by kissing Alihardly a sign or respect or remorse).
Fighting in Vietnam does not give you an excuse
Who says it gave him an excuse? he fought in Vietnam, his behavior suggests he was suffering from PTSD. Since the movie showed extreme anti-Vietnam Vet bias, we didn't get insight into how PTSD works (they have flashbacks that make them feel like they are in combat again, among other things) so for all we know, he may have flashbacked during the tournament. But, as I said, this was not explored but the message this movie sent was that all Nam vets are scum by default of fighting in that war. And many of us are very disturbed but this and want to speak up in favor of the character who, whether you like it or not, was a great war hero. Oh, as for medal of honor that Miyagi got, that's easy for infantry and extremely tough for Special Forces (where Kreese served) because covert nature of SF prevents public acknowledgement of service. So they know that they won't be showered with medals.
And you are right about a new IMdB account. I should instead be someone who argues about the Karate Kid movies for months, stretching into years. That wouldn't be sociopathic at all!
You are so petulant it's hysterical. So while CK fans are having fun on these boards calling out loser characters Daniel and Miyagi for what they really are, you signed up to vent your frustration that we saw through those characters?
Didn't you notice that only fans of Neverland Boys post angry messages. CK fans make fun threads such as Daniel Vs Baby Groot Did Daniel Wear Diapers in KK3, etc. Chill. -
eadabfc — 11 years ago(September 17, 2014 08:32 AM)
Ruijcm, it's simple. Johnny and his ilk should assault people over childish pranks, and the police will shut up and LIKE IT. But Miyagi let a 15 year-old take a sip of whiskey? PRISON FOR LIFE. Oh, and anything Kreese has ever done? PTSD. It's not like he's, you know, a jerk or anything.
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fourpointstars — 11 years ago(September 18, 2014 09:13 AM)
By the third or fourth time you watch, you realize you really don't like Daniel that much. At least that's how I felt.
Daniel did cause a multiple car wreck running from an incident he provoked, just before that 5-on-1. Daniel is really lucky it wasn't 9-on-1. If you don't like the Kai, then fine. Daniel is hardly a blameless victim.
Johnny's biggest flaw is wanting that manipulative, vindictive, and evil ex-girlfriend of his back. -
benosheabutter — 11 years ago(September 18, 2014 05:52 PM)
Johnny's biggest flaw is wanting that manipulative, vindictive, and evil ex-girlfriend of his back.
Totally. She wasn't all that (prettiest in school populated with below average material isn't a big deal). He could've dated outside of school/Encino Club/Encino. LA is big.
Daniel did cause a multiple car wreck
running from an incident he provoked, just before that 5-on-1. Daniel is
really lucky it wasn't 9-on-1
. If you don't like the Kai, then fine. Daniel is hardly a blameless victim.
Brilliant.
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eadabfc — 11 years ago(September 17, 2014 08:24 AM)
"Any dude would respond to pouring water on him and his weed by chasing down another dude who did it, especially if that guy has history of provoking the guy he soaked wet. Any dude would. And any good friend would join. Now, if CK just randomly chased after Daniel than you can say they are crazy but they were provoked. Also, Johnny couldn't stop beating his ass because of the heat of the moment. Call it red mist."
Amazing. You can't help but victim blame. If your son ever pours water on a kid in high school, and that kid responds by him and his 4 friends beating him down repeatedly and putting him in the hospital (assuming there isn't a magical old man appearing out of the mist) pleeeeeeease remember this logic. Provoked by water = totally cool with 5-on-1 assault and battery.
"Honey, why are we bankrupt? Is it because of that civil lawsuit brought by the victim's family?"
"Honey, they provoked our son! They poured water on him! Even dampened his joint! What was he supposed to do, laugh? Move on with his life? NOPE. 5-on-1 coma is the only way it sticks. Oh, FYI, we just lost our house."
Do I have that right? Water = provoking = ANY ASSAULT IS NOW LEGAL BEAGLE. MORE GUYS THE BETTER. Man, why doesn't the law agree with us? It's BS!
Unless this is one grand troll? In which case, A+, good sir.