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romefan123 — 11 years ago(September 22, 2014 03:32 PM)
The simple truth is this: Daniel is
NOT
the hero people make him out to be. He's a despicable human being. Worthless, weak, and Moreover, that "Slope" is a problem too. His drunkenness and creepiness is a major turn-off to his "Zen-philosophies", making blind audiences believe he's some kind of guru and that Daniel is simply misunderstood and down on his luck. Please. Far from it.
By my count, once you begin breaking these films down, you begin seeing what a chump Daniel was (I'll exclude any homo-erotic references that others make, not sure I buy all of that), and how he had a hand in nearly every one of his problems. In fact, as the great Judge Judy would say,
BUT FOR HIS ACTIONS
(on several occasions), this
whole incident
never happens
. Since Johnny and his pals were more than amiable, perhaps Daniel, under other circumstances, could have been welcomed into their group, and perhaps his fate different. But he
COULDN'T LEAVE WELL ENOUGH ALONE, NOW, COULD HE??
"You can just stand there, and let him kick your ass!"
Sensei Terry Silver Karate Kid III -
wears-alan — 11 years ago(September 23, 2014 12:36 AM)
You see, I agree that in certain ways Daniel brought a lot on himself.
Pretending he knew karate to Freddy was always going to alienate him once he was found out for starters. But let's look at the whole picture.
The Beach:
Once Daniel struck Johnny (sucker punch) he was going to get hit back and could have expected no less. He further compounded his predicament by not staying down. But to be fair, Johnny drew first blood by shoving Daniel to the ground. I don't buy this talking to his girlfriend, ex or otherwise as an excuse to do that. Johnny was looking to vent his anger on someone and Daniel fitted the bill seeing as Johnny had witnessed them on the beach.
The scene at the soccer trials though was not initiated by Daniel. Johnny told Bobby to get him. Now we all know that a slide tackle is legal, but you (being a soccer fan) also know that it is a technique that is exploited by players to the point where if a player gets it right then he can take a person out of the game (injuring them) without fouling them according to the rules of the game. A technicality if you like. Now there was and never could be a guarantee that Bobby would get it technically right, nor was there any real attempt to get the ball more than Daniel. As was previously stated, Johnny said 'Get him Bobby'.
The tumble down the hill:
Exactly where did Daniel initiate proceedings here? he was simply riding home on his bike.
The Halloween beating:
Yes Daniel caused his own problem here. He could not have expected to get away with soaking Johnny.
Overall though, a lot of the problems come down to a mixture of Daniel being stubborn and unable to hold his mouth, and Johnny's jealousy.
And that's just part 1.
Part 2.
Chozen had it in for him once he knew he was Miyagis student. Is that Daniels fault?
Part 3.
Silver made it his personal quest to get Daniel. He manipulated the kid (Daniel, i've been making you do things you don't want to do since we met). And why? because Daniel won the tournament? Was it Daniels fault Kreeses students left? No.
Then we have Barnes.Barnes deliberately confronted Daniel because he was paid to by silver. As was Snake and Dennis.
Did Daniel initiate any of this? Hell, he wasn't going to even enter the tournament. Silver forced that issue with his scheme.
As for Miyagi, how many times across all three (4 if you wish) movies do we see Miyagi drunk, or partaking in a drink of alcohol? I mean one scene does not a drunk make. Where I agree with you is the fact that as the series went on, the more mystical they made him. Almost like Kwai Chan Caine from 'Kung Fu'. I mean to be fair, he was a fvc
It wasnt me, it was the other three. Hang them! -
benosheabutter — 11 years ago(September 24, 2014 05:55 AM)
Where I agree with you is the fact that as the series went on, the more mystical they made him. Almost like Kwai Chan Caine from 'Kung Fu'. I mean to be fair, he was a fvc
The movies totally jumped the shark when they turned him into an invincible always-right superman. That's in direct contradiction with his admittance that he lost fights because "someone always knows more". Yet nobody ever knew more in any of the movies, and he continued to introduce stupid "mystical" moves that always won the fight. IMO, if you want to pinpoint the moment when the whole show went downhill, nuked the fridge and jumped the shark all at once, it was honk. That slapstick turned these movies into a parody of itself and there was no going back. While first movie took its subject matter fairly seriously, and had mostly clever humor as opposed to slapstick, honk was introduction of slapstick into serious matter and that's death of credibility.
I'd say that Miyagi healing Daniel's leg was pushing it already. Fixing an over worked shoulder muscle was one thing, but fixing whatever Daniel had at the tourney, that the doctor pronounced unfit to continue, was supernatural territory. And then it snowballed with his stupid made-up moves and winning fights against multiple opponents without receiving a single punch or kick. Oh, and they even brought Shaolin monks into KK4 even though he dismissed them as "too much TV" in KK. In short, they broke every single rule they created in KK in order to keep this boring superman in the series and make him more and more Omni-powerful. That's "can't see forest from trees (tree being Miyagi in this case)" right there. -
jefgg — 10 years ago(August 25, 2015 07:00 AM)
Daniel was a bully. Please click on
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C_Gz_iTuRMM#t=270