Problems/Issues I have with this film 28 years later.
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LukeLovesFilm28 — 11 years ago(September 20, 2014 12:22 AM)
Wait a minute. If they're both drunk, if he's underage and she's actually 18, you morons actually consider it rape?? Jesus. That's not saying much for women.
So, basically, never have sex when you're both drunk?? Jesus. A lot of people should be thrown in prison. -
jbaker1-2 — 4 years ago(June 17, 2021 06:28 AM)
Ted and Caroline thought that something might have possibly happened but it's unlikely anything did. If you were too drunk to remember doing it, you were too drunk to do it.
There are 8.2 billion people in the world. 8.19 billion of them have never heard of and don't give a fuck about Charlie Kirk. Get over it. -
Nikkirose0306 — 13 years ago(August 24, 2012 02:49 PM)
Don't forget how Jake picks up her note at the beginning and takes it rather than pointing out she dropped it. He is basically a creep. I think they picked a very good looking actor on purpose because the audience would not like Jake if he were played by an average looking guy.
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laeyisoracle — 13 years ago(September 20, 2012 09:24 PM)
4-Jake the romantic hero? Jake tells the geek referring to Caroline, "I could violate her 10 different ways if I wanted to" WTF?? Wow, what a romantic guy. He's the hero? He gives his inebriated girl-friend to a total stranger and implies that he can have sex with her as long as he gets her home?
Jake Ryan was a typical douche. I know girls used to swoon over him, but he really came across as a douche, plain and simple. That leads me to
15-Shallow Sam. Why does she love Jake? Because he's cute and rich? That seems rather shallow. And what if he gets "bored" with her as well? What happens if she gets drunk at a party? Will Jake "violate" 10 different ways?
Sadly enough, in reality, there are a lot of girls dazzled by sheer douchery. Really, this isn't limited to the 80s. What's popular now? Twilight? Idiot teenage girl becoming overly infatuated by a douchbag vampire? Almost similar in concept, and girls, nowadays, eat that crap up.
5-Long Duck Dong. This has to be one of the most racist characters in film during the last 50 odd years. His character is like some cartoon version of an Asian person from the 1940's. I guess he's supposed to Chinese but his name is Vietnamese and there's a point in the film when he's in a tree wearing a Japanese samurai outfit yelling Banzai?? Also not to mention they give him a name that's the sounds like a large duck's penis in English.
He was actually supposed to be Korean(Korean exchange student), but Gedde Watanabe is Japanese, so basically you had a Japanese American actor portraying what he thought a Korean would sound like(which still came off like Japanese stereotype, LOL).
7-The Rizchecks- The "Oily Beau-hunk" is Italian so of coarse in this film that means that his father is involved in organized crime/mafia.
Again, really strange stereotype portrayals. Rizcheck is not an Italian surname. Pretty Eastern European in origin. -
JohnQ1127 — 13 years ago(September 29, 2012 09:00 AM)
Yeah, "Rizcheck" was a strange one but I guess they didn't want to be too overtly stereotypical and call them the Gambinis or Rosellinis or something like that. Anyway it was still a negative stereotype of an Italian family.
I read somewhere that "Long Duck Dong" is a Vietnamese name but basically the character is an amalgam of various Asian stereotypes from the 1930's-1950's. It's really shocking to see that type of character portrayed in a film from 1984.
I think the thing that most disturbs me now is the casual way they basically talk about raping the prom queen. And then the Geek actually rapes her and in 1980's type movies this was a weird "rape is love" trope. -
WinniethePoohandTiggertoo — 13 years ago(October 06, 2012 07:06 PM)
Actually, it's oily Bohunk, lol. It refers to someone of Bohemian (now called Czech) descent. So, you're correct that they weren't of Italian descent, but of Eastern European. I know this because I come from a town full of Bohunks and am one myself (minus the "oily" part). I don't know any that act like Italian stereotypes, however. Maybe it has more to do with what state the "Rice Chexs" live in.
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fiatlux-1 — 13 years ago(February 08, 2013 03:36 PM)
Actually, it's oily Bohunk, lol. It refers to someone of Bohemian (now called Czech) descent. So, you're correct that they weren't of Italian descent, but of Eastern European.
Thank you!! So THAT is what a 'bohunk' refers to, I'd wondered ever since I first saw this film in the '80s! No Internet then to look it up lol.
This film has a lot of somewhat obscure references, even the 'Farmer Ted' reference which was another one I just learned what it meant! I'd never seen "Animal House", as I disliked John Belushi, so I'd never knew why they called him that.
"I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus."
"Didn't he discover America?"
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WinniethePoohandTiggertoo — 13 years ago(February 09, 2013 09:26 AM)
You're welcome, lol. I didn't know what "Farmer Ted" meant either until years after! I was, oh, 14-15 years old when it came out. Didn't know a lot of stuff back then. 'Cept the Bohunk thing. Knew that. What I didn't know was why they were calling them "oily". All the Bohunks I knew were like American Bob and Doug McKenzies. I'm not even kidding. But, that probably had more to do with growing up in Northern Minnesota than them being Bohunks.
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robble-1 — 9 years ago(May 14, 2016 01:09 AM)
I know this is a years late reply, but ^^^^this. Everything yellowgum900 explained. That is exactly how I took those scenes regarding Jake, Sam and Caroline.
The gong sound and the name jokes were stupid, but it seemed pretty harmless and more related to stupid humor, with a hardy-har sexual innuendo element to it more than anything else.
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kassandra227 — 13 years ago(September 29, 2012 02:45 PM)
Ted raped Caroline? i just finished watching the scene in the parking lot.
neither Ted nor Caroline could remember for sure they had sex. Ted asks "did i do that to your hair?" to which she didn't know. he then asks "did we uh ?" though she said she's "yeah, pretty sure we did."
so let's say they had sex, it doesn't mean anyone should automatically jump to conclusion is was rape. that's an extremely dangerous assumption to make and really doesn't seem accurate to what actually transpired in the film. think about it, if Caroline had thought she was raped she wouldn't have stayed in the car with Ted, and tell him what she liked best was waking up in his arms, then kissing him.
the rape assumption is dead wrong. it's a ridiculous point, so much so that the OP has lost any and all credibility he/she may have had and i feel no need to address the other flaws in the comment. No use anyway since it amount to anything nearly three decades later.
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JohnQ1127 — 13 years ago(September 29, 2012 07:34 PM)
Caroline was completely intoxicated and incapacitated and therefore unable to consent to have sex with Farmer Ted. So therefore Ted's actions would be considered felony sexual assault in most states.
Oddly enough, this was a somewhat common theme in many 70's-80's comedies which sometimes ended up in a weird "Rape is Love" film trope. Revenge of the nerds has a similar situation where Louis rapes the hot cheerleader by pretending to be the football player. Of coarse in these types of movies rather than outraged, the cheerleader actually falls in love with the geek after he rapes her. -
ckanelevy — 13 years ago(October 02, 2012 08:24 AM)
Interesting you bring the Revenge of the Nerds scenario up - because when this movie came out, I was a law student and I actually discussed the scene with my Criminal Law professor. He told me that most definitions of rape were based solely on "consent" of the actual act. So since Betty consented to Louis (even while thinking he was someone else) it would not be considered "rape." Still, something about the scene disturbed me and a similar theme was made far more disturbing in "American Horror Story" with the male dressed up in a black latex suit.
Just to mention something else that's come up on this thread. Jake says he can "violate" his girlfriend because she's lying drunk in his room. The fact is that they had sex many times before (and still dating) and, although the girlfriend is drunk, it doesn't necessarily mean there's no consent, because he can reasonably expect that she's willing. Otherwise, anytime let's say a married couple got drunk and had sex, there's a potential claim of rape (obviously something that's not true). -
JohnQ1127 — 13 years ago(October 03, 2012 05:51 PM)
Well, I think the problem is that Betty didn't consent to have sex with Louis, rather she consented to have sex with Stan. It's also kind of ridiculous that Betty would not immediately realize that the man having sex with her was not her buff football player boyfriend but rather a scrawny boy. It's also ridiculous that she would fall in love with Louis after he deceived her and had sex with her under deception. I tend to put these hypothetical questions in terms of, "Would you have a problem with the scenario if Betty was your daughter, sister or niece?" Would you have a problem with a man posing as your daughter's boyfriend tricking her into have sex? Wouldn't you consider that a sexual assault?
I have to disagree on the second part. Jake says, "I have Caroline passed out cold in my bedroom and I could violate 10 different ways if I wanted." If a woman is passed out cold she is by definition unable to consent to sexual intercourse. It doesn't matter if the woman is the girlfriend or wife of the man this action that Jake is proposing is a rape.
There's also a huge difference between an equally drunk married couple having sex and a sober husband/boyfriend having sex with his "passed out cold" girlfriend/wife.
Schrodinger's Cat walks into a bar, and doesn't. 