Amen!
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ckanelevy — 13 years ago(October 02, 2012 07:29 AM)
Just saw it with my daughter last night. I never really loved this movie - I always thought "The Breakfast Club" was much better. Anyway, the Italian and Asian stereotypes are so over the top that I'm willing to give them a pass. I'm also going to give a pass to whatever happened between the Geek and the prom queen. First of all, we really don't know, but the "power exchange" between them is really all on her side except for the fact that she's drunk - yet still aware enough to slip Ted a birth control pill. Honestly, I can't feel too bad for her, and I'm not seeing where the Geek would ever be prosecuted for it (if "it" even happened, which is a major assumption). As far as the Jake/Sam thing, everything the OP says is a legitimate complaint as to realism, but I've seen stranger things happen in real life (and certainly other movies) than Jake and Sam - and, who knows? Maybe he really does fall for her and changes his ways.
The weird thing is that the OP didn't mention my biggest problem - making fun of a handicapped Joan Cusack. I mean what did that add to the movie?
Ultimately, I think the reason it's considered something of a "classic" is that it's John Hughes, and, like "Fast Times at Ridgemont High," it's filled with future stars (even Jamie Gertz has a small part in there). John Cusack as a nerdy geeky kid is really worth the price of admission alone for me. And to see Anthony Michael Hall later in "The Dead Zone" as the polar opposite of a geek is kind of interesting. Lastly, Molly Ringwald is just one of those iconic actresses who is unforgettable to anyone familiar with her movies. -
JohnQ1127 — 13 years ago(October 03, 2012 05:31 PM)
@chanelevy,
Interesting point about Joan Cusack's character. I don't think the character was permanently disabled, I think she wore that device as a result of some sort of mishap. I guess there's less of threshold for someone with a temporary disability rather than a person who is permanently disabled.
Oddly, in retrospect it seems like a film that chooses to make fun of more vulnerable people (minorities, geeks) rather than the jocks/rich people. -
creaturefeeture — 13 years ago(November 11, 2012 03:51 PM)
Lol!! Besides number 12 I totally agree! I used to be in love with Jake when I was little, now I'm watching it and I'm appalled by him!! The way he screams leave me alone at his girlfriend just because he's basically bored with her and everything you've mentioned. Still love to watch the film but wow he's terrible. I think it could be partly poor acting.
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fiatlux-1 — 13 years ago(February 08, 2013 03:40 PM)
- Technically that is not rape. She consented to the sex, being drunk doesn't necessarily negate consent.
- This is one of the most 'dated' or altered meanings of any film I've seen.
In the '80s, people often used certain terms that don't necessarily translate as such today. Jake didn't mean violate in the sense we think. He was saying it as the acts themselves are so nasty they are 'crimes'. That she would wake up & consent, I don't think he meant actual rape. But I agree, either WAY, he is a serious douche.
And he was a douche for giving Caroline to Ted, but Caroline agreed to be with Ted sexually PLUS she didn't care one whit about Jake. AND seriously destroyed his house.
As to most of your other questions about how Jake & Samantha would behave with each other, its a movie. Its fantasy.
"I'd say this cloud is Cumulo Nimbus."
"Didn't he discover America?"
"Penfold, shush."
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creaturefeeture — 12 years ago(September 04, 2013 11:42 AM)
- She consented to sex with Jake Ryan.. it is date rape.
- Yes I understand what he meant by violate, but ironically it applies in both ways. I don't care how much one disrespects you, your material possessions, etc. there is no excuse for rape. It's like saying it's okay to murder someone if they blew up your house or something.
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witster18 — 13 years ago(February 23, 2013 12:36 PM)
it's a freakin movie!
racial slurs, slutty girlfriends, yeah.. sounds like high school to me
Jake didn't care about the slut he was dating anymore - hence his ignorance to the fact a nerd was driving her home
but let's step back here what would have happened in real life if jake or farmer ted had had sex with her(ted did) when she was drunk????? I ask only because the answer is nothing because even though it's rape by the letter of the law - it's still not rape to the 18 yr old girl until SHE considers it rape or at least it would never come to light. I can only imagine how that would go in court if it did 18 yr girl drunk, 14 yr old guy also drunk yeah I have the feeling nobody would be in jail after that. I actually think the statutory case going the other way would be stronger.
full of racial epitaphs? yep. come on go watch hotel transylvania..
defending Jake
He didn't know he shut her hair in the door
He didn't think farmer ted would actually do anything
and it wasn't take her home "wink, wink" - he said "BUT YOU HAVE TO GET HER HOME".. showing that despite her being a terrible girlfriend and trashing his house - he still wanted her to get home safely. he'd come to the point, however, that he was willing to put her in that situation with the geek as opposed to, i don't know, puke all over his house and drive him nuts all night.
so your biggest gripe is that he wouldn't dump his hot senior girlfriend for an average sophomore why? because that never happens in HS EVER?
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reffer0877 — 12 years ago(June 20, 2013 06:14 PM)
idkbut by god i hope so! i liken his rant to a quote from another beloved john hughes movie where ferris says, "cameron is so uptight that if you shoved a lump of coal up his ass, in two weeks you'd have a diamond":-D he forgets that this movie WAS made 28 years ago! it is outdated! yes there's stereotypes! and since when are teenagerspolitically correct?! good gravy! its a movie, not to be taken seriously. its a movie you're supposed to relate to, especially if you were an outcast in high school. not to be taken apart, over anal-yzed, and called rape love? dude are you(OP) for real? how long did your first sexual encounter last? what, 3 minutes, at the Most? do you think ted's experience went any longer than that? were you intoxicated? inebreated? if you werent, i bet your friends at one point or another had similar experiences, and i seriously doubt they, or their partners called it rape love. all teenagers, no matter what their socio/economic status is, without adult supervision will do what theyre not supposed to dojust ask your parents what kind of stuff they did when they were growing up! sex, parties, indifference to damage of car and property, all part of growing up. where did you grow up, a monastery? and stop acting like caroline was a victim. she wasnt That beep i can tell you that. no one forced the alcohol down her throat. no one slipped a roofie into her drink. she had consensual sex, if they even had sex at all. one thing that you Completely forgot to mention is when she said"oh dont be such a poop." and then proceeded to perform a sexual act on TED, First!! do you seriously think that at that point, she was still convinced ted was jake? hello?? are we watching the same movie here? you do have problems/issues. you forgot what its like to be young.
BOSTON STRONG.
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