Christopher Lloyd's performance…….
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matwsussx — 13 years ago(October 27, 2012 08:37 AM)
He's brilliant in this. Anyone else agree? I've read some reviews of this movie that say he was a let down after Ricardo Montalban in ST II and that he didnt make for a convincing Klingon but i honestly think that Lloyd - along with John Colicos - played the greatest Klingon ever.
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James1701-A — 13 years ago(February 10, 2013 02:46 PM)
Lloyd made a Klingon you would genuinely be scared the beep of .
He's also an awesome actor and makes the character he plays extremely believable.
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jeffyoung1 — 13 years ago(February 11, 2013 11:59 AM)
I was truly impressed by Christopher Lloyd's performance. I thought he pulled it off well as a menacing Klingon lord and ship captain. What is truly amazing is how Hollywood made Lloyd look so buff and strong. Lloyd was never a muscular big man. His costume had to have a lot of padding I suppose.
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superturbo4 — 13 years ago(March 29, 2013 03:25 PM)
According to Star Trek trivia, his character is the only onscreen Klingon Lord of that title actually.
And yes next to John Colicos, William Campbell and Michael Ansara, he played perhaps the best known Klingon to date, before ST:TNG era gave them the whole 'honor' B.S. crap which the original series Klingon's never had or were ever saddled with, and became quite a; 'trite' cliche in the long run.
Christopher Lloyd as this guy (Commander Kruge) made for an excellent villain. And it wasn't easy following after Ricardo Montalbn's Khan character and expected to be a memorable foe for the Enterprise crew. Lloyd's Klingon was a; Klingon set in the same sense as the old TV series, but came with the aspect of the (then) movie series redesign and was totally uncompromising, yet was crafty, dangerous and absolutely feared as the main antagonist of Star Trek 3: The Search For Spock etc.
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Porpoise01 — 13 years ago(March 12, 2013 01:33 PM)
I thought him the definitive Klingon enemy enemy being key here, of course, the noble warriors we tried to make peace with had to be played differently.
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gabby_bm — 13 years ago(March 29, 2013 02:46 PM)
Lloyd was absolutely astounding. The best Klingon to date. No angst. No burrs in his butt. Just war and honor with a drive, comparable to Kirk's, to win.
in another reality, he could have called Kirk "friend".
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Porpoise01 — 13 years ago(March 31, 2013 08:45 PM)
this was, of course, before Roddenberry became all apologetic about making Klingons evil, and tried to redeem them as noble warriors in TNG.
only to make the romulans, which were noble warriors, irredeemably evil.
LLoyd is, arguably, the ultimate TOS Klingon.
"Kill one of them. I don't care which one."
And of course, the first one Klingon enough To make Kirk "Give me your hand" the boy scout say "I Have had enough. Of YOU!!!"
For those who dislike this film for "undoing" TWOK, one of my many complaints about TUC is that it undoes this, and all of TOS before. Fits the TNG Klingons, but not the TOS Klingons.
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Spifflock_Holmes — 13 years ago(April 01, 2013 11:01 AM)
For those who dislike this film for "undoing" TWOK, one of my many complaints about TUC is that it undoes this, and all of TOS before. Fits the TNG Klingons, but not the TOS Klingons.
I'd agree with that. I have my complaints about TSFS, but Lloyd's Kruge isn't one of them.Lazy + smart = efficient.
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Moonlight_Graham — 12 years ago(November 17, 2013 02:08 PM)
Lloyd's look and stature in this film is great as a strong, intimidating, smart Klingon leader & villain, but I found a bunch of his lines to be spoken too quiet and whispered. Lloyd's delivery in some lines needed to be more strong, forceful, alpha-male, aggressive, like a Klingon! Lloyd didn't seem convincing as a Klingon is some parts.
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jcam90502 — 12 years ago(November 22, 2013 04:12 PM)
Yes, I believe his portrayal is the best Klingon in whole Star Trek Franchise.
You know, he give's a nod to his Character Doc Brown in Star Trek 3.
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gbeach — 10 years ago(May 18, 2015 12:00 PM)
You know, he give's a nod to his Character Doc Brown in Star Trek 3.
Not sure how he can give a nod to a character he wouldn't play until a year later.
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bastasch8647 — 10 years ago(May 08, 2015 04:26 PM)
Terrible performance not helped by inconsistent scripting. Either Lloyd needs to be a total badass or a semi-comedic buffoon villain.
The script demands that he be a total badass because
he kills Kirk's son without discussion before, or remorse after.
On that principle alone, the character should not have been played for cheap "barbarian" laughs like wrestling with the giant worm then telling his crew on the ship, "Nothing going on here"; his stupid schtick with his stupid faker-than-fake "dog", etc.
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Cheers
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fritzfassbender — 10 years ago(June 01, 2015 08:44 PM)
Not to mention that several time, his "Jim voice" from Cheers peeked through, thereby shrinking his "serious performance" down to TV nostalgia level.
I don't agree with your assessment, but it is funny you mention that because the joke at the time was:
"Give me Genesis, Kirk!"
"NO!"
"Oh, okey-doke."
I also distinctly remember a review that said Lloyd's performance was hurt by his "warbling baritone." Love that phrase.
Christopher Lloyd's performance took A LOT of flak when that ST3 came out, but I think time has been very kind to it. Lloyd was a victim then of his own typecasting and having to follow Ricardo Montalban, now I think he is rightly regarded as one of the best Star Trek villains.
And to know that film has documented a wrestling match between Christopher Lloyd and William Shatner makes it all worthwhile.