What would they have done if Nimoy didn't return?
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KobiyashiMauru — 12 years ago(May 26, 2013 08:24 PM)
I'm thinking maybe this:
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wallacesawyer — 12 years ago(June 18, 2013 04:19 PM)
That "remember" moment makes me think Spock would've played a role somehow, even if Nimoy didn't return. Otherwise it would've been a completely meaningless action.
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wallacesawyer — 9 years ago(August 20, 2016 10:56 AM)
That was included so if Nimoy decided to return, they could use it as an explanation. I think if he didn't, that moment could've easily been ignored.
I guess that must have been why. Just in case.
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avortac — 11 years ago(October 02, 2014 12:50 AM)
Just read the book: "I am Spock" to see how it all unfolded for Nimoy. He was actually EXCITED to get to correct his mistake of letting Spock get killed, and he actually cried when he had to kill Spock (and when he watched it on the silver screen the first time).
He also wanted to direct, but was perplexed by the fact that it was as easy as 'asking'. They simply let him direct it, just because he asked them, and he was surprised.
I wish they had had a better plot, though, but Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home redeemed everything, so all is good. -
scott_o_k — 11 years ago(May 14, 2014 05:32 PM)
Thread is a year old, but hey I thought it was an interesting question, I'm sure others do, too.
If you try to watch TWOK with fresh eyes and try to forget for a moment what happens in the future of the series, you definitely get the sense that they were grooming Saavik to become a permanent member of the cast should more movies be made without Spock. While of course you could never truly replace Spock, she probably would have filled his role in the 'balancing logic and emotion' and 'understanding the human condition' overarching themes of TOS Star Trek.
Who knows what they would have done with the "Remember" mind meld. There's a million different ways that could go. Perhaps Saavik would have mind melded with McCoy and become a keeper of Spock's memories (which would make her even MORE of a Spock stand-in).
It does make you wonder if that were the case, and if so then Spock's return necessitated that the Saavik character be phased out (or at least, be kept from being "main cast" status and always just a guest or cameo), that could even have played a role in Kirstie Alley deciding not to reutrn if she saw the role didn't have much of a future with the series. -
wallacesawyer — 11 years ago(June 11, 2014 07:19 PM)
I never actually thought of Saavik as being a possible replacement for Spock. I always took "Remember" as a plan for DeForest Kelley to play dual roles.
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bjlevine — 11 years ago(June 17, 2014 11:21 AM)
Originally, Saavik was a male character (hence the "mister" and the male Vulcan name).
When Leonard refused to do Phase 2, they created the character Xon, a young inquisitive Vulcan intrigued with humanity, as his replacement on the Enterprise. I can see them going that route, or just keeping Saavik.
Xon loosely became the basis for Data in TNG.
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davcamp2 — 11 years ago(December 23, 2014 08:53 PM)
I was at a convention the other day and they did a talk about Star Trek 2 - it's a hodgepodge of a few different scripts. One of the last rewrites was that Spock was supposed to have a shocking death in the middle of the movie - Saavik was supposed to take over the quasi-Spock role in the next films. In fact, Saavik has a much larger role in earlier drafts. She was supposed to have a relationship with David, but again, the final version focused more on Kirk and Spock.
Later on they decided to leave it open a bit. Saavik was recast because they forgot to add a sequel to Alley's contract and she wanted too much, so she was recast and given a smaller role.
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