Sending Reese back in time to save Sarah was pointless
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preachcaleb — 3 years ago(October 07, 2022 01:08 PM)
Of course it doesn't follow that logic. It's a logic flaw I'm describing.
Which doesn't exist in the movie.
But you have no control over what you are doing. You can never check to see the results your actions had on a different timeline; you are acting blind. So for all you know, you might be making things worse. Meanwhile, you are betraying your own people, to whom you owe loyalty. You could have helped them, but chose to help their alter egos instead - and you don't even know if you've helped them. It is noble to help strangers, sure, but only if you have the resources to do so. If your family is trapped inside a burning building, and my family is trapped inside a burning building, you save your own first. No one would expect you to do otherwise, and even I would not place an ounce of blame on you.
And all of that is fine. It's still noble intentions. There's nothing wrong with trying to do the right thing for no reward. I've helped strangers many times with no way of checking the results. There's nothing wrong with that.
And there is no betrayal. As you say, the the time machine moves you to another timeline. There's no control over that. So it's ok to try and help others. They did have the resources: they had a time machine. Might as well do some good with it. I don't believe in us versus them. So I don't focus on helping only one group of people over another. I like to help everyone.
I save my own family only if I can. If I can't for whatever reason, I'm not going to just stand by and watch yours burn. I'll help them instead.
No one would expect you to do otherwise, and even I would not place an ounce of blame on you.
And that's why it's noble. There's no obligation.
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degree7 — 4 years ago(March 20, 2022 06:49 PM)
Not really, there’s no guarantee any changes to the past would be instantaneous. It’s entirely possible that the past is occurring concurrently with the present, so say the Terminator arrives in the past and it takes two days for it to find and kill Sarah Connor. That would mean that the moment the terminator stepped through the TDE that John Connor had two days to live. Simple as that.
Anyway, as it turns out the entire thing was a causal loop. The Terminator going back in time was the cause of Skynet’s own existence and the nuclear war, and Kyle going back begat John Connor. The entire thing is a paradox. Kyle Reese is doomed for all eternity to be sent back into the past to die. No one in this story has any free will, everything was predestined to occur. -
Donnatella — 4 years ago(March 20, 2022 09:27 PM)
Also, whatever boy child Sarah gave birth to, would become the savior of humanity. It just so happened that Reese was that guy. Although it could have been any dude to get Sarah knocked up. Otherwise, The Machines would have sought out Reese as well. Instead, it focused on assassinating Sarah.
In Genysis, something very different happens. I think Sarah goes back into time to save Reese. Is that right? -
TaraDeS — 3 years ago(December 03, 2022 10:39 AM)
by Movie_Knut December 03, 2022 11:29 AM
Member since May 14, 2020
While Sarah saves Reese in Genysis, she doesn't travel across time. Sarah knew where Reese would be because Guardian told her.
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Karl Aksel — 3 years ago(October 06, 2022 08:23 AM)
Not really, there’s no guarantee any changes to the past would be instantaneous. It’s entirely possible that the past is occurring concurrently with the present, so say the Terminator arrives in the past and it takes two days for it to find and kill Sarah Connor.
Of course it's instantaneous. Let's say you send someone back in time to do something. You send him back to 1964, Jan. 5th. He doesn't finish his job until Jan. 18th. Meanwhile, you are sitting comfortably in 2022. Both Jan. 5th and Jan. 18th 1964, and all dates in between, have already happened. No matter how much time passes in the past, it's all in the past - time passing in the past has already happened. -
AnthonySocksss — 3 years ago(October 08, 2022 03:38 AM)
It obviously doesn’t have to happen in an instant, because time isn’t linear like that. What is happening in the past is still actually happening. There is no “past, present, future” in reality, but that’s dealing with real world physics.
Going by the logic of the film, it’s clear that the past is its own separate stage that is occurring parallel to the present, and affecting it every step of the way. Once the Terminator stepped through the Time Displacement Equipment, everything it did in the past that affected the future was occurring at a similar pace. So let’s say the Terminator kills Sarah/John Connor about 48 hours after it traveled back in time. That means in the future that John Connor would have exploded into goo 48 hours later after the Terminator went through the TDE. Obviously the scientists knew that they still had “time” to fight this time travel, so to speak.
Anyway, sending Kyle Reece back into the past was necessary anyway because without it then John Connor wouldn’t exist in the first place.
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Karl Aksel — 11 months ago(May 03, 2025 10:05 PM)
<blockquote>It obviously doesn’t have to happen in an instant, because time isn’t linear like that. What is happening in the past is still actually happening. There is no “past, present, future” in reality, but that’s dealing with real world physics.</blockquote>
Doesn't matter, it would still be perceived as happening instantaneously. For example:
Today, May 5th 2025 at precisely 21:00, we send someone back in time to paint the White House green. We send them back to January 20th 1981. Now, whether they spend one day on the job, ten days, ten weeks, ten months, ten years, hell, 40 years, what colour is the White House on May 5th at 21:00? It's green - and has been for some time. At no point in the present will anyone have cause to say, "they're still working on it". Either they succeeded, or they failed. And this would be known the very instant the painters were sent back in time. -
Wu Ming — 11 months ago(May 04, 2025 03:32 AM)
AnthonySocksssss May 04, 2025 12:26 PM
Member since January 31, 2025
No, you’d see the White House turn from white to green before your very eyes…
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WarrenPeace — 11 months ago(May 04, 2025 03:28 PM)
Took long enough to get a response.
Plus I’m pointing out how Kyle had to go there to meet and conceive the future resistance leader.
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Gemini — 11 months ago(May 04, 2025 01:47 AM)
Since they were able to send Reese back in time, that can only mean one thing: the T-800 only affected an alternate timeline, not the one Reese was originally from. Since in the original timeline Connor could send Reese back in time, that is proof positive that the original timeline was unaffected by Skynet's time-travelling schemes. So why bother sending Kyle back in time? From the resistance's perspective, either the T-800 failed, or it possibly succeeded in a different timeline. Either way, we are in a timeline when Connor is still very much alive, thank you very much. And why should we worry about any timelines other than our own?
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