Scientists are the bad guys
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Lovelyjugs — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 10:51 AM)
I never thought of anyone as actual bad guys. Miguel is actually the worst as what he does is out of spite. However, he's totally lost it by then. The scientists are pretty useless but the only option left is to try and cure or tame the zombies. The soldiers are even more useless and I think that's why there is so much tension.
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user-769 — 9 years ago(October 02, 2016 12:30 PM)
I posted a 22 page thread on this http://www.imdb.com/board/10088993/board/thread/147583408
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nannite — 9 years ago(November 22, 2016 08:55 AM)
I agree with your premise on Rhodes, he seems to be the clearest thinking character. but I disagree with the changes that you recommended (making it a super-military action movie like Rambo or Sniper). This movie is great because it paints a chaotic picture of what life would be like if you were one of the last 12 people alive.
Part of the joy in watching this movie is being flabbergasted at watching Dr. Frankenstein act in the manner he acts. Rhodes feels like hes trying to herd cats with two giant guns. The goals of Sarah and Frankenstein seem to be nebulous, shifting and.completely unrealistic. It is a madhouse and everyone is either insane or getting there.
Their choices are limited in where they could go (strongly implied when they use wwii radio technology and the pilots comment about wanting to go to a caribbean island while Sarah gets disgusted), which ultimately drives the plot. Basically its a last stand with people who are physically and mentally unable to continue fighting. -
user-769 — 9 years ago(December 03, 2016 10:31 PM)
I just hate the way directors/writers force the character to twirl his mustache and become "the bad guy" to push a narrative. There doesn't HAVE to be good/bad guys in dark, brooding movies like this one. Rhodes wasn't the type of guy to abandon his men regardless of his other character faults.
Rhodes needed to die, because it's the way movies go. But fleeing the battle and abandoning his men made no sense in the way the character had been presented the entire film, not to mention it didn't make sense in the context of the battle, since he could have simply gathered the men and escaped. -
Verdugo85 — 9 years ago(December 12, 2016 09:51 AM)
You're too one sided of this.
The scientists were under pressure by a power hungry, gun toting, sexist, selfish a$$hole.
And you forgot to mention how Sarah warned Rhodes about Miguel's psychological setback but Rhodes insisted that he be on duty and look how that turned, who should be held accountable for that?
Rhodes leaving his men behind to die in a "war" against zombies. He died a gutless coward. -
user-769 — 9 years ago(December 15, 2016 02:48 AM)
The scientists were allowing a maniac (and possibly a murderer) to run their operation. Rhodes gave them multiple opportunities to explain what they were doing, they NEVER did.
Rhodes was guilty of being too trusting, if anything. -
Verdugo85 — 9 years ago(December 15, 2016 12:28 PM)
Rhodes gave them multiple opportunities to explain what they were doing, they NEVER did.
Well give credit to the chief scientist (even though a maniac) for showing some progress with
Bub
. While Sarah was trying to find if there was a way to reverse the process, a "cure", she just didnt know exactly how long it'd take to find it but it was impossible of course. Sarah even mentioned that the whole operation was rushed so they had to work how ever long it took but Rhodes was impatient..
So in the end the scientist tried
And Rhodes was also unstable from the beginning. In fact when we're introduced to him he was half way in becoming beyond insane its proven when he threatens to shoot one of his own men to kill Sarah.. -
user-769 — 9 years ago(December 16, 2016 08:59 PM)
Yet, he never did kill Sarah. He was establishing himself as the leader of the operation (since surely Martial Law was in place.) His men were laughing like idiots, the science team and support staff were ignoring his orders.
So he started yelling.
Still, they were laughing, and still they were ignoring him. Even Steel.
At what point do you say "beep this, I'm going to make an example out of someone if you all don't start listening."
Rhodes was loud and a bit of an ass, but notice he wasn't that way with everyone? Notice he was sitting at a table chatting with Dr.Fisher? Notice he didn't scream and holler except when people were acting like children on a play ground?
I'm not defending all of Rhodes actions, but seriously, no one was respecting his command at all.
Hell, Rhodes let them KEEP THEIR GUNS EVEN AFTER THEY POINTED THEM AT HIM. He should have had them all shot right there, but he didn't. He let them keep them up until he realized they were using their guns to stage a mutiny.
He constantly let people talk back to him, as well.
I'd bet if Sarah (or Logan) offered solutions, like "You're right. I respect that you've had loss of your men/friends and right now we don't have the results you're looking for. I've been working on ABC, Logan is working XYZ. Here is our results in PLAIN ENGLISH." that Rhodes wouldn't have flown off the handle.
And at the end of the day, the thing neither one of us can dispute is that Rhodes was right. The bunker was a death trap, and they should have taken the helicopter to reestablish communication with DC, since the radio equipment was shot. -
Verdugo85 — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 07:41 AM)
Wether Rhodes yelled or not, he was a narcissistic douchbag by default you can even notice it when he was talking to Fisher saying
"Major Cooper is dead. Im in command now"
, boohoo
And Rhodes wasnt listening to the scientists situation, especially from Sarah, she was very reasonable. It was all "his way" or you're dead because "he's in charge" "he's in power" blah blah blah -
user-769 — 9 years ago(December 19, 2016 08:29 PM)
Rhodes, was in fact, in charge. They were in a remote bunker, under Martial Law, with no contact with their HQ.
Rhodes being "a narcissistic douchebag" doesn't change that.
He said, correctly, that the mission should be abandoned if the science team couldn't produce any results. The science team kept delaying, and only provided him with ridiculous and useless "solutions."