George C. Scott cameo would have been great.
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Archived from the IMDb Discussion Forums — The Color of Money
balboa76 — 11 years ago(February 22, 2015 07:05 PM)
The Color of Money is a very good film, but know where near the all around quality of the iconic classic The Hustler, not even in the same league. I always thought that since George C. Scott was still alive at the time of the filming, that they should have had the character of Bert Gordon make a cameo appearance in the final scene when Vincent faces off with Eddie, would have been great to see Bert walk into the room with Vincent and say he's representing him and have Bert say that "Eddie was a loser back then, and now he's just an old broken down way past his prime loser" And then you could have the original ending where Eddies says "I'm back" As he breaks the balls.
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M_Exchange — 11 years ago(March 04, 2015 02:06 AM)
The absence of Scott AND Gleason is odd.
Gleason complained that his role looked like it was tacked on at the last minute as an afterthought, so he refused to appear in the film.
There just didn't seem to be any sense of danger in Newman's return to the "big pool halls," and I'm sure that many people forgot why he quit pool anyway (not just the trauma of the lady's suicide but Scott's character's threat). Zero tension= boring.
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balboa76 — 11 years ago(March 06, 2015 09:48 AM)
I had know idea that Gleason was even written into The Color Of Money, thanks for the heads up, considering that Gleason and Scott were alive at the time of the filming it's really sad they weren't in the film. The average results of Color of Money usually happens when you make a sequel to a great film and you exclude the great characters from the original.
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duke-verity — 11 years ago(March 11, 2015 03:51 AM)
Possible spoliers below***
In Walter Tevis's novel
The Color of Money
(set in the year 1983), Bert Gordon is revealed to have died ten years earlier - having lost his power and status in the world of pool management after Fast Eddie stood up to him in 1960.
The world of hustling and of management (where the
real
money lies) has long since moved on from Bert Gordon's day. In the novel, the pool scene of the eighties has acquired a professionalism and a corporate gloss that the sleazy fifties/sixties quasi-gangters such as Bert Gordon could never have envisaged.
Minnesota Fats appears in the early chapters of the novel, joining Eddie for a friendly playing tour of the pool circuit. The elderly Fats (whose real name is revealed to be Paul Egerman) dies of a heart attack in the middle of his and Eddie's comeback tour. For Eddie this marks the end of an era, and the true end to his own '
youth
' as he faces a lonely middle-age.
The movie version dispenses with all this. It really is an adaptation in name only. There is no Vincent or Carmen in the novel, they were characters invented by the screen writer. The novel is focused solely on a middle-aged Eddie making a comeback tour on the circuit, and finding love again in a relationship with a Kentucky art dealer.
Walter Tevis's novel is infinitely better than the movie which shares its name, and ties in much more directly with the novel and movie
The Hustler
. Very few people seem to have actually read it. It answers a lot of questions about Eddie's past, and about what happened to him between the two novels. -
maturity — 10 years ago(September 21, 2015 07:02 AM)
I found all the female characters in The Hustler and TCoM were very shallow, empty or depressing. They have no depth or appeal. Piper Laurie was at least plausible, there are people like that, but who wants to be around them or watch their empty lives? Carmen seems like an appendage just written in to sit in bars holding Vincent's coat and money, drinking, smoking, going to the bathroom and watching him play pool or video games. She is rather pathetic, and as flat as a cardboard cut-out. I can't see any woman relating to Carmen or Eddie's girlfriend. They have no qualities most women or men could relate to.
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maturity — 10 years ago(September 21, 2015 07:13 AM)
To a large extent, I think this movie is targeted to the white male demographic. It has no interesting women and only a couple of black males of any significance. Only white men have any significant dialogue / screen time. The rest are superficial and marginal at best and exist only to support the main characters or get beaten by them and make them look good. Even when Eddie gets hustled by Amos, I have the feeling it was an act. Eddie told Vincent where he was going to play and he got drunk. Only when Vincent arrived did Amos do the hustle on him. I think Eddie used alcohol as an excuse to dump the game with Amos and dump Vincent and Carmen at the same time. "The Hustler" supports this, but I saw "TCoM" first and still thought that Eddie was deliberately throwing the game or getting drunk. That tends to happen when you stand around a pool hall all day ordering shot after shot.
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reggie182 — 10 years ago(February 15, 2016 04:15 PM)
I think this movie is targeted to the white male demographic. It has no interesting women and only a couple of black males of any significance. Only white men have any significant dialogue / screen time.
Are you suggesting that a movie with an interesting woman or a black male of significance is thereby
not
targeted to a white male demographic?
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maturity — 9 years ago(August 11, 2016 05:44 AM)
I think a movie can be interesting and have male and female characters of all skin colors whose actions and words drive the story. No, I'm not saying the people are only interested in seeing their sex or skin color, but the fact is birds of a feather tend to flock together and the movies like this reinforce that. New movies and shows especially have more diversity and strong women. The fact is, this doesn't and it's not just that but the females don't seem very appealing or relevant even. I can't see a woman sitting in a bar watching a guy play pool and video games. And before he met Eddie he wasn't even any good at hustling people, just beating a coke head loser's ass and scaring off everyone else in the bar.
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maturity — 9 years ago(August 11, 2016 05:59 AM)
Do you think there is not racism and sexism in movies? Women get paid less in movies than men to this day. In television too, according to actress Judy Greer. There is this test to demonstrate gender bias. Do two named females have a conversation about something besides a man (or men in general)? A surprising number of hit movies fail this test like Indiana Jones, Star Wars 4-6, and Harry Potter. Males are the central characters and drive the whole story. Men talk to each other about lots of things besides women in most movies and shows, but often women are in a vacuum and just connect to the story like they are tacked on. See: Bechdel Test.