I was beyond offended.
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CDRShepard — 15 years ago(May 01, 2010 02:27 PM)
"mentally deficient (mild forms of mental retardation exist), have emotional and behavioural problems such as anti-social personality disorder (even a mild form) and so lack the ability to empathise with the victim. "
Wow, that sounds pretty harsh but is probably true. Most likely though the person in question was probably just some very immature douche bag, that is no surprise because I have seen TONS of immature punks at the colleges I've been to. -
coleburg83 — 15 years ago(May 06, 2010 02:12 PM)
It's because all Eastern bloc movies seem to use the same melodramatic overacting and reaction shots all the time. Not to mention the cheesy fireworks they used to show gunfire. I liked the movie, but a high school drama class who had the budget could have made it better. I don't know what it is with the Russians and making crazy faces on camera. An audience in 2010 can easily laugh at some of those ridiculous cartoonish close up shots. I remember watching the Russian "War and Peace" movie in a class and everyone was laughing at the reaction shots. You don't see that in Western cinema at all for obvious reasons. Can you imagine a war movie like Platoon or Full Metal Jacket that were made around the same with the protagonist making crazy faces to show emotions at the shocking parts? The acting and overall effects are in an entirely different league. It's almost insulting that this movie is rated up there with them. .
I know people will get all uppity because I spelled it out, but you know as well as I do that the cartoonish close up's and cheesy special effects take away a lot from the movie's quality.You did just fine, Clarence. Now go git yo'self some hot cornbread!
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mastholte — 15 years ago(May 07, 2010 01:10 AM)
Coleburg, I think the phenomenon that you describe depends on time, not on place. The cultural needs and the artistic means at every given period of time are comparable for different countries, such the US and the USSR, just like many other aspects of life, despite political and economical dissentions.
As for Idi i Smotri in particular, mind you it was released in 1985.
If you see any 'crazy faces' there, just look for what caused those expressions. Also, have you read the statement shown on screen before the closing? -
coleburg83 — 15 years ago(May 07, 2010 11:19 AM)
You must be joking mastholte. You can't possibly compare this movie to the quality of for instance the top American movies of the time period. As I said, Platoon and Full Metal Jacket were made around the same time. Apocalypse Now and The Deer Hunter that some idiotic reviewers have actually called inferior movies were made in the previous decade. It's not comparable at all. Reaction shots and close up's of crazy faces to show emotion have not been used since the silent era in mainstream American cinema. Hell the cartoonish Gone with the Wind made in the 1930's had more realism than this movie. At least they didn't use fireworks and flares to show gunfire and explosions.
The movie has a great script/story, but in reference to the topic, one can easily laugh at the technique of using crazy expressions in close up shots to show emotion.You did just fine, Clarence. Now go git yo'self some hot cornbread!
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mastholte — 15 years ago(May 07, 2010 11:49 AM)
I'm not joking. The movie in question was not made in Hollywood and it's not mainstream. Which means it gives you a chance to peep into a quite different reality.. A chance that you lose by trying to fit it into existing patterns for top, quality, realism, technique, etc. I'm not saying it's the best film in the world, no - but who on earth said it ought to have been shot like your favourite war movies, huh?? BTW, Apocalypse Now had crazy faces all right, and crazy phrases on top of that. I'm sure you don't understand the spoken language of Idi i Smotri, it would be helpful if you did.
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mastholte — 15 years ago(May 07, 2010 12:24 PM)
It wasn't. Year 1985 was exactly the breaking point in the history of the USSR, which ended in its break-up in 1991. Many works of art such as these could not reach the mass audience before Perestroika. And that period of rethinking the history was too short and too intense to be labelled as 'mainstream'. It was actually a burst of energy accumulated under the pressure.
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silfag — 9 years ago(May 17, 2016 11:36 PM)
I really think "Idi i Smotri" is much better than "Platoon" or "Full Metal Jacket"
I see no problem in laughing at some no-comedy movies. I always laugh at horror movies!(really think them funny).
But laughing at "Idi i Smotri" or other movies which go the same way One can do that only if not following the story, the plot, and paying attention only to visual effects and acting. -
franzkabuki — 14 years ago(March 20, 2012 08:19 PM)
"Can you imagine a war movie like Platoon/-/ with the protagonist making crazy faces to show emotions".
I dont need to imagine, I have SEEN that Stones cheesefest.
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er_lu_cuilesse — 12 years ago(July 07, 2013 08:27 AM)
"Not to mention the cheesy fireworks they used to show gunfire."
they used live ammunition for this movie along with real weaponry. The actors literally had bullets flying mere centimeters above their heads.
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ilon — 9 years ago(September 05, 2016 05:01 AM)
Can you imagine a war movie like Platoon or Full Metal Jacket that were made around the same with the protagonist making crazy faces to show emotions at the shocking parts?
Not at all.
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raptor_densus — 15 years ago(May 19, 2010 12:10 PM)
Some movies aren't meant to be seen in such conditions, not really a funny movie, I think I only laughed when they were both crying, it was a funny scene because neither knew why they were crying and they also laughed when they realize it.
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trada122 — 15 years ago(May 22, 2010 12:59 PM)
I'm gonna be watching the movie real soon and I'm assuming it's one of those "let's look at the real reality that the media never tells" kinda movie
As much as I'm a black comedy person myself, I do agree there are things you just can't laugh at or mock(I only have very few myself, since I love pushing limits on many things in films)
But for instance, I can't find myself laughing at or mocking The Passion of the Christ, because I was raised Christian. Even though I'm not even a dedicated Christian or even living like one, I can't help but weep and feel just overwhelmed everytime I watch The Passion.
That's a perfect example I can give from my personal experience in films.
Again, I'm a huge fan of black comedy and I do laugh at some taboo stuff that aren't usually meant to be laughed at, but what really pisses me off is when someone just ruins the movie at a premier, a movie theater, or even watching it at a school or some university by laughing, or just doing distracting things.
I'm a huge movie buff and if someone does that while I'm in presence during the screening, I would literally flip out; I can tolerate if people find the movie dull or boring but if they RUIN IT for ME, that's when it crosses the line.
I wish I were there in that classroom with you and bashed his face in for ruining the movie, regardless of him finding the movie extra boring to him.
People need to realize that not all people go to the theaters to make out with girls or kill time; some people actually want to watch the movie, be entertained or sometimes even analyze them.
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Scrite — 15 years ago(May 27, 2010 04:39 PM)
When it comes to people laughing hysterically when watching terrible things on movies it is often a Psychological defense system.
Most often it is because they get really scared or shocked over what they see and to counter that reaction they start to laugh. Some people can't even help it they just laugh automatically.
I'm not saying that there aren't any idiots who just likes showing off or ruining movies for other people because those certainty exist too. This person might very well have been one of them, you should not remove the possibility though that he actually got very scared or shocked by the brutal things he saw. -
Dantu00e8s — 15 years ago(July 07, 2010 12:42 PM)
I haven't read every single post in this thread, but you're also overlooking another possibility: he laughed because it's a terrible film and Florya's reactions to things are trite and and almost comical in their clumsiness.
People on this board find it much more satisfying to adopt the smug stance that someone who laughs at this movie must be stupid, but don't consider that many people will also see this as a bad, ham-fisted attempt at a profound movie. I don't know if the OP's classmate is one of those people, but it's certainly possible.
