You have nothing worth saying.
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Dantu00e8s — 15 years ago(February 07, 2011 01:59 PM)
See above. Not reading your posts. I'll read them when you have something original and intelligent to say and when you can understand criticism without acting like a petty, hysterical child whose fragile ego is so wrapped up in their cultural tastes that you can't handle criticism of a
movie
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drystyx — 14 years ago(June 24, 2011 10:35 PM)
I'm not a fan of the film, and think it could be inflamatory to Germans, who could, in turn, have innocents butchered by the same type of maniacs who laughed while they butchered in this film.
Maybe those guys who laugh shouldn't be shown this. I don't buy this "hiding true feelings" or "defense mechanism". These scenes, in no way, could evoke laughter from anyone who wasn't a raving lunatic.
Which sort of helps show the sort of mentality of the monsters who committed the atrocities. That's why it's important to show this to only mature audiences.
Audiences who understand that it wasn't "German" to do this, just like Jesus told those who would have him crucified that they were not sons of Abraham. No, it is the brotherhood of monsters, of those who could laugh at something like this. This was no Monty Python dark humor about an unreal piece with a knight's arms and legs cut off. This was realism brutality. I would never turn my back, or be in a helpless state around any person who could laugh at this.
And I'm talking about the hysterical laughter you are talking about, not the nervous titter of someone about to cry.
It is important that this be discussed by those who view it. There are too many who would join the brotherhood of monsters in a cycle of revenge, and they don't care who they attack, as long as it is someone helpless.
That's what this film shows. And it is very effective, but I resist giving it 10/10 for the reason that it could be horribly misused and cause even more horrors if the wrong type of people ever saw this in mass numbers.
And those maniacs who laughed, who we know exist, if we believe those who posted about witnessing it in this thread, is proof of that. How can you laugh at this? It can't be done by a sane person. Imagine a gun or knife in the hands of someone who could laugh at this?
Yes, we see them in the film.
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ribby45 — 14 years ago(February 04, 2012 02:29 PM)
watersmells likesky -
I'm beyond offended too.
Perhaps this is an American thing - WW2 wasn't fought on the American mainland.
When this film came out, there were a lot of people around me (England) who fought in WW2, lived through WW2. It was just round the corner of memory.
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rwsmith29456 — 14 years ago(March 12, 2012 06:48 PM)
He laughs because he know he can leave the movie and go back to his video games and cheezy poofs instead of coming home to a dead family, a massacred town and his country in the hands of a ruthless enemy and have to scrabble in the woods to hide and survive.
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queerever — 13 years ago(June 09, 2012 08:16 PM)
Hey baby,
there are not many reasons why people laugh, but one of the main ones is cause they are uncomfortable, which is something your psychotic classmate probably never escapes being. Poor thing. Don't be offended, try to do some good analysis! -
doublethink03 — 13 years ago(July 07, 2012 01:00 AM)
Maybe they were laughing at the fact that such a movie was be made in a place where the most vile inhumane treatment of disseneters based on their religious or political conviction was everyday practice in Russian prisons and concentration camps (gulag), including torture beyond imagination, drugging people into oblivion and casual murder? Maybe he also found it funny that people from such a country would completely ignore the conduct of their own red army troops and partisans. But hey, we've found that the Germans were evil, so that puts everything else in perspective, right? Let's just feel deeply touched by a propaganda piece and close our eyes to the reality.
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franzkabuki — 13 years ago(July 17, 2012 06:17 PM)
Yes, we have "found" that the Germans were evil. Indeed. Also, even if it were propaganda in the strict sense of the word, itd be an uncommonly tolerable example of such as essentially nothing seen in the film is made up; Nazis left fairly little room for imagination.
And what kind of a fascist are you, anyway, if you dont even have the guts to identify yourself as such? Weichei.
"facts are stupid things" - Ronald Reagan -
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jesusfood-1 — 13 years ago(August 29, 2012 01:30 PM)
the real test is did this guy laugh at the end when the germans get massacred, if he laughed while they were doing the autrocities maybe he is the type of person that takes joy in cruelty without the ability to imagine the shoe on the other foot. i can imagine if i was a russian in this time after seeing some of the things they did to civilians i would actually take pleasure in revenge
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doublethink03 — 10 years ago(June 11, 2015 11:58 PM)
Impossible to argue with people who are so brainwashed that they think everyone who dares to have a dissenting opinion is a "fascist." It's this kind of black and white thinking that is typical for people with a totalitarian world view. I'm sure you would have made a great Gestapo officer.
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franzkabuki — 10 years ago(July 04, 2015 08:01 PM)
"Everyone who dares to have a dissenting opinion is a "fascist"".
No, just the ones who disingeniously play down and try to whitewash the Nazi conduct during WW2 (bet you'll argue Holocaust never happened, either right?). Nothing about which is a matter of opinion btw. As for black and white worldviews, I do not rely on one Soviet film for historic information, so I do not necessarily expect this or any other single movie to present a perfectly balanced & nuanced, complexly multidimensional picture of WW2. And I'm pretty sure I've got more reason to hate the Red Army than you do, buster.
"facts are stupid things" Ronald Reagan -
doublethink03 — 10 years ago(July 05, 2015 03:52 AM)
Hate? It's about balance, moving away from the anti-German propaganda to a more realistic view. Naturally, there are different perspectives one can take. Saying that only one opinion is possible is equivalent to thinking only in black and white and betrays a totalitarian worldview.
What do you mean by "Nazi conduct during WW2?" The conduct of the Nazi-party members? Of their adherents? Of the black SS, Gestapo and SD? Or are all Germans during the WW2 period "Nazis?"
The conduct of the Allies is also not a matter of opinion. "Good guys" don't throw splinter bombs and then fire bombs on civilians for the fun of it or herd people in barbed wire so they can't even sit, preventing them from getting a sip of the nearby water. They also don't boil people's feet and tear off the skin, disembowel pregnant women and have their chief propagandist call for torture, rape, and murder. Btw, they still parade their flags and symbols threw the street under which 100 million were murdered and only God knows how many were imprisoned and tortured. -
franzkabuki — 10 years ago(July 07, 2015 05:12 PM)
"Or are all Germans during the WW2 period Nazis?"
In one of the earlier posts on this very thread, I explicitly acknowledged I wasn't speaking of all Germans. Furthermore, not even all SS men - especially those in Waffen SS - were personally guilty of atrocities (hell, my own grandfather was conscripted to 20 Waffen-Grenadier-Division der SS yet never witnessed any war crimes).
"The conduct of the Allies is also not a matter of opinion".
When did I say it was? I have no idea where do you take the absurd number of 100 million people murdered, though; you should avoid such ridiculous exaggeration for it makes your bias all too evident.
"facts are stupid things" Ronald Reagan -
doublethink03 — 10 years ago(July 08, 2015 10:32 AM)
OK, so apparently you don't subscribe to the collective guilt thesis, but still you seem very eager to brand people as fascists
Obviously I'm talking about the Communists, and 100 million victims is by no means an exaggeration. In Russia, people are still parading red stars through the streets to commemorate the "patriotic war," and nobody in the world seems to care. -
franzkabuki — 10 years ago(July 10, 2015 12:11 PM)
"You still seem very eager to brand people as fascists"
Idk, when someone seemingly downplays the evils Nazis committed and finds nothing wrong with people laughing at the sufferings of a young Belorussian boy who's lost all in the war, that usually is indicative of a certain kind of world view
"Obviously, I'm talking about the Communists".
In your previous post, you only mentioned "Allies", so I obviously assumed you were speaking of the Allied atrocities during the war.
"In Russia people are still parading red stars through the streets to commemorate the "patriotic war" and nobody in the world seems to care".
I don't like the sight of Soviet symbols or portraits of Stalin paraded about either, but in principle, there's nothing wrong with Russians celebrating the victory over an enemy who was out to annihilite them.
"facts are stupid things" Ronald Reagan