Good but too one sided
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aliza_tvito — 14 years ago(May 04, 2011 08:05 AM)
But, at the given historical moment depicted, they were the Nazis who invaded an other people's soil, and slaughtered and tortured that other people. Why shouldn't Klimov speak out about it? It was his land, and his people.
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wulfthar — 14 years ago(December 07, 2011 04:31 PM)
This post is idioticStalin worse than Hitler for the Russians? Dude, I've to inform you that Hitler wanted to EXTERMINATE all russians, like he wanted to exterminate all jews. Stalin may have killed milions (not 50, that's a number you made up, for the simple reason that he would have killed one fourth of the total soviet population before WWWII) but he didn't do to Germany what Hitler wanted to do to SU. Having said that, this isn't a nationalistic movie, but a psychological horror on WWII based on real events, it's not propaganda for Mother Russia, or Communism, or anything like thatas a matter of fact the Soviet Government and the Red Army is totally absent, somebody could say that the movie is a veiled criticism against a government who left its citizens to their destiny and wasn't unable to defend them.
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wulfthar — 14 years ago(December 08, 2011 02:31 AM)
If there's an idiot here that's you: SU in the 30s had a population of 160 milions, you come here to say that 50 milions were killed by Stalin? Where are your esteemed historians? Do they realise that their numbers make not sense? Since you evidently don't know what you're talking about, I suggest to read this wikipedia page (unless you believe that Wikipedia is a stalinist institution):
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Purge
Official death toll:680.000 Estimated: 1.200.000
The other disaster Stalin created as the Great Famine of 1932:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Famine_in_Ukraine
This was the result of the extermination of the Kulakilet's say it's 6 milions. And here there's the census of 1937:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_Census_(1937)
That showed that 8 milions were missing.
So, go to study history and stop being a moron.
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aliza_tvito — 14 years ago(December 14, 2011 07:50 AM)
///micpl: Battle for the 2011's Most Moronic Comment Award rages on ///
My friendly advice to you: don't overestimate your own capabilities. Be on a safe side. The Humility is a sign of wisdom.
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Professicchio — 14 years ago(January 01, 2012 03:43 AM)
Sorry sir but your post is nothing but pure imbecilic trolling.
And what was this film supposed to do to "balance the act"? Cutting to a scene in Berlin two years later to show the Russians just doing the same?
The film stuck to the place and the events it was meant to portray brilliantly and does not even remotely manipulate the viewer in glorifying the Russian resistance which is more than you can say about the 99.99999999999999999999999999% of American films when portraying their side of the war.
And Stalin ended up killing 50 million Russians
That is another big pile of crap, seriously, where do you guys get your hystorical facts from, Christmas crackers?
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netrek — 14 years ago(January 01, 2012 01:16 PM)
Hey troll it's funny when you accuse others of trolling. I was responding to utter nonsense and I did so with facts anyone can verify. Yes it was 50 million, possibly even more. Go do some research you babbling fool. I doubt you will though since you're a pathetic small minded troll.
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Professicchio — 14 years ago(January 01, 2012 04:42 PM)
If those are "facts anyone can verify" what does it cost you to give me a source then, anything please? Or you just work on "word of mouth", if that is your idea of research?
You put out the figures first so you put the evidence to back it up if you want a serious reply.
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rwsmith29456 — 14 years ago(March 12, 2012 06:59 PM)
Nobody is the 'good guy', but Soviet Union had a 'no invasion' treaty with Hitler, who suddenly and brutally invaded may miles into Soviet territory and laid seige to cities where people had to eat rats and each other to survive. I call what the Russians did in Berlin 'payback'.
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chrismahon2005 — 14 years ago(March 13, 2012 02:47 PM)
So what about what Russia did to Finland then ?, they invaded the same early on and got there arses handed to them, id say russia also helped boot of the brits and defeat france through there help in the invasion of poland thus clearing the decks for germany to turn there strength on them, and its there own thought they had no one to help them early on, they also ignored warnings of the invasion from the allies
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franzkabuki — 14 years ago(March 20, 2012 07:50 PM)
Well maybe you should go and make a movie about that "other side" yourself, then. Kind of hard to work the fall of Berlin into a story of a Belarus village boy.
And besides, did you miss the scene where partisans killed the rounded up German POWs, thereby essentially (albeit sort of understandably) sinking onto the level of Nazis?
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pablo-taylor — 14 years ago(March 25, 2012 03:52 PM)
Anyone who thinks Stalin was blameless compared to Hitler needs to get their facts straight; my ancestors were Ukranian Jews and they honestly thought their luck had changed for the better when the Germans turned up in 1941 after twenty years of Russian occupation.
