Where did the cute girl from the beginning go?
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emmaclarke781 — 13 years ago(October 08, 2012 07:02 AM)
I always wondered what became of her too. Glasha was an interesting character.
She tells Florya that before the War she lived on a kolkhoz(collective farm.) Anyone who knows anything about Soviet History knows about the mass starvation of people on those farms. She says to Florya ``I'm the rose of the kolkhoz`! I always thought that was a joke on how nothing grew on a collective farm,let alone a rose.
Then the poor girl was captured by the Nazi's(we can all guess what they did to her) and then she was recused by the Partisans. She and the leader(what was his name again?)seemed to be having an affair. The poor girl was clearly very damaged by all that had happened to her. I hope she was strong enough to survivebut I wouldn't be at all surprised if she died.
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aliza_tvito — 13 years ago(October 08, 2012 09:05 PM)
But something tells me that Glasha was a city girl, maybe because her manner of speech (I'm Russian-speaker and hear the nuances), garments and the appearance by itself. I guess she was forcibly sent to Germany as a slave - "ost-arbeiter", and rescued by the partisans on her way. No doubt she suffered greatly in the Nazis hands, probably raped, as being so attractive. She probably lost her family. So her psyche was apparently damaged.
"Rose from the Kolkhoz" - the common joke-rhyme of these times. Btw, not all the kolkhoses were miserable, there were some pretty abundant, in the latter times, not during and after the war of course.
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emmaclarke781 — 13 years ago(October 09, 2012 12:02 PM)
Are you Russian? Belarusian? If so, I have a few questions(if you don't mind)
1.Whats the difference between Belarusian and Russian?
2.What part of Belarus is this set in?
3.You know the scene right after Florya found out his family was dead? Why did the old women cut off his hair and bury it?
4.What was That Muslim-looking hat Florya was wearing at the start of the film? A traditional Belarusian hat?
5.Was this film well received in Belarus?
I know Kolkhozs in Post-Stalin times weren't so bad. But in Stalin's time they were pretty brutal. The people of Russia, Ukraine and Belarus have suffered so much in human history. The Tsars brutal rule, The first World War, The Russian Civil War, Lenin's dictatorship, Hitler's invasion and Stalin's brutal rule
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aliza_tvito — 13 years ago(October 09, 2012 02:01 PM)
well,
- I'm an Israeli of the Russian Jewish descent.
- These are related, but different ethnicities (like Irish and Scottish, or German and Austrian etc). You can check in Wikipedia btw.
- More than 300 Belarussian villages shared the destiny of that fictional village Perekhody. It wasn't set in some definite part of Belarus, it was, let's say, symbolic.
- Why cut his hair? Maybe because of a louse. Why bury it? Don't know, maybe some rural tradition of that region.
- "Muslim-looking" hat (tyubeteyka) was in fashion in all USSR before the war, for some reasons. It looks like the hat the Muslim people living on a former USSR territory (Uzbeks, Tazhiks) are wearing, but a bit different. I've the picture of my grand-oncle as a kid in that hat. Bizarre indeed
http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Огонек_1934.JPG?uselang=ru
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tubeteika - Very well.
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emmaclarke781 — 13 years ago(October 10, 2012 03:32 AM)
1.Cool! So I guess as well as English and Russian, you can speak Hebrew? Yiddish? I would love to be able to speak another language.
2.I actually meant whats the difference in their language.It seems most of the actors are Russians and I wondered did that mean that they had to learn a new language for the movie.
3.So theres no specific place in Belarus that I can visit? Oh well.
4.I wondered if maybe it was a peasant tradition?
5.Ahh, so thats what it was!
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aliza_tvito — 13 years ago(October 10, 2012 07:07 AM)
- Language difference is significant, but still these languages are mutually intelligible. In the film, the Girl spoke Russian, as well the Commander Kosach. Flyora, his mother, village folks and the Partisans spoke Belorussian. Some of the Germans spoke broken Russian.
- You can visit the Khatyn Village (don't confuse with Katyn in Smolensk district, where the Polish officers were murdered) Memorial. The real Khatyn village was "Perekhody" of the film. All Khatyn's people were murdered the way as it was shown in "Come and See". One elderly man and two boys survived.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khatyn_massacre - Of course I do speak Hebrew, but not Yiddish.
May I know where are you from?
Listen to your enemy, for God is talking
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emmaclarke781 — 13 years ago(October 10, 2012 09:00 AM)
2.Mutually intelligible? Ahh, that makes sense. Is it the same for the Ukrainian language?
3.I would love to go to Belarus. But then, I'd love to go everywhere:)
1.The most boring Country in the world-Ireland.
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aliza_tvito — 13 years ago(October 10, 2012 11:34 AM)
- Ireland is boring? Why so? I can't believe it. We here have a completely different idea.
- Ukrainian is different as well. The language very melodious and beautiful.
- Well, Belarus isn't Italy or France, but it has a very rich cultural heritage. Historically, it was part of the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth (check Wikipedia), also Tatars left some signs of their influence, in a positive meaning. The scenery is beautiful, like any place at this Earth.
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emmaclarke781 — 13 years ago(October 11, 2012 04:04 AM)
1.Well, its nothing special.No offense meant to Irish people but to me, your Country is just where you happen to live. I've never gotten this
die for your Countryrubbish.
2.Is the Ukrainian language Different from the Russian language? Or are they mutually intelligible? I didn't understand when you said that Ukrainian was different. Different how? Different as in, its not mutually intelligible?
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aliza_tvito — 13 years ago(November 08, 2012 10:05 AM)
//your Country is just where you happen to live. I've never gotten this
die for your Countryrubbish. ///
I just happened to read our discussion from the beginning, at my leisure time, and stumbled upon this line I probably missed before. I also find the slogan "Die for your Country" illogical and meaningless. I would change it to: "Give your life defending your
people
, it's freedom and well-being, if there's no other way".
And that's relevant for what this movie is about.
Commander Kosach: "The Partisan doesn't ask: 'How many of them the Nazis?' He does ask: '
Where
are they?'"
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dainko1981 — 10 years ago(October 10, 2015 06:24 PM)
- Ukranian language is different from the Russian even the entire alphabet is not the same. I wouldn't say they are mutually unintelligible, but it's definitely different. Way more different than Russian regional accents are between them (for example).
Ukranian is a little bit more melodic, and for me, as a native slavic-language speaker, it sounds more like Polish than Russian.
It's kinda difficult to explain - Ukranian sounds more like Polish but writes more like Russian.
- Ukranian language is different from the Russian even the entire alphabet is not the same. I wouldn't say they are mutually unintelligible, but it's definitely different. Way more different than Russian regional accents are between them (for example).
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dainko1981 — 10 years ago(October 10, 2015 06:29 PM)
- Ukranian language is different from the Russian even the entire alphabet is not the same. I wouldn't say they are mutually unintelligible, but it's definitely different. Way more different than Russian regional accents are between them (for example).
Ukranian is a little bit more melodic, and for me, as a native slavic-language speaker, it sounds more like Polish than Russian.
It's kinda difficult to explain - Ukranian sounds more like Polish but writes more like Russian.
- Ukranian language is different from the Russian even the entire alphabet is not the same. I wouldn't say they are mutually unintelligible, but it's definitely different. Way more different than Russian regional accents are between them (for example).
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er_lu_cuilesse — 12 years ago(July 07, 2013 08:31 AM)
The idea that the collective farms all sucked isn't really true. In fact, they were far more productive thanks to mechanization than the previous private farm system.
The major issue was the collective farms often lying about output, thus food distribution was often totally out of whack with reality.
When your farm says it has produced 10,000 tonnes of food, so the Government takes 9,000, but in reality you only produced 5,000 that means you and the rest of the collective are left with no food.
It really isn't a problem with the collective farms themselves, but the reign of terror making people scared to report bad harvests and the sycophancy so people report better work than they did to get awards, working together to make what should have been a productive system, unproductive. -
edjohn66 — 12 years ago(April 23, 2013 01:44 PM)
Wasn't she the girl that showed up at the very end, with blood on her thighs (probably from rape), and to whom the boy mutters, "I want to love" and "I want to have babies?"
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benbo-3 — 10 years ago(September 26, 2015 09:13 AM)
That
was
the same girl from the beginning - the reason he says 'I want to love' and 'make babies' to her is out of a sense of irony. He also is probably shocked to see her again, can't believe his eyes, and stunned by what the Nazis did to her (bleeding from between the legs on the thighs after being taken by a group of men only means 1 thing). Notice that until he sees her, he's in shock and marvelling that he survived the massacre;
after
seeing the girl, the only person alive whom he knows from before except the partisan commander, is when he goes on a tear for revenge, and runs off to find the jerrycan of gas to burn the guys who violated her. Aside from that the actress is hot & I recognized her. The mother who got dragged away looked like her, but there could be definitely >1 blond woman who got dragged away to be brutalized. -
OldSamVimes — 10 years ago(September 27, 2015 09:54 AM)
Sometimes being left wondering is better than having everything spelled out.
The narrative followed the young boy, he never find out what happened to her so neither did we.
There are lots of people who were in my life for a little while that I don't know where they are or what happened to them, it makes the movie more true to life.
