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so why do Trek series end after 7 seasons?

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    cjh8504 — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 10:56 AM)

    Who'd get lucky?
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        everymanaking6488 — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 11:03 AM)

        I wonder if it helped the creative angle for the writers/producers knowing they'd have a legitimate amount of time to tell their story.
        I'm sure the actors enjoyed that they might have a secure 7 year gig. Though once a ST series is over the actors tend to never find good work again. Is it just typecasting or perhaps the actors never being that talented in range enough to begin with?

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          WyldeGoose — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 08:55 PM)

          I wonder if it helped the creative angle for the writers/producers knowing they'd have a legitimate amount of time to tell their story.
          Not really. Because Star Trek, throughout the franchise, is written mainly by about a dozen or so writers and story editors, some doing just one episode and some corroborating on a few, here and there. And they're all on a deadline. Some episodes are on a tighter deadline than others because of where the producer wants that episode to occur during the season. This was the main reason why TNG was nearly canceled during the first two seasons, due to the Writer's Strike; if you can't come up with scripts necessary to complete your projects, you have no episodes to sell through syndication and no networks looking to buy it, especially if the show doesn't look like it'll be finished on schedule.
          Doing 24-26 episodes a season is a lot of hard, stressful work. A lot of good writers get burned out very quickly on the whole thing, especially if they're regular writers for the series.
          Having said all of that, deadlines are essential. If you don't give a writer a due-date to finish his work, odds are he won't finish it. I know, because I have to give myself incentives just to finish what I do on time, and most people are not self-starters. Deadlines focus the writer's energy and mind and talent, and they often get very creative as a result. Not all people work well under pressure, of course, but deadlines are pretty much the standard way any writing work gets done in the business.
          I'm sure the actors enjoyed that they might have a secure 7 year gig. Though once a ST series is over the actors tend to never find good work again. Is it just typecasting or perhaps the actors never being that talented in range enough to begin with?
          I attested to the uneasy, anxious nature of being an actor on the TOS board. It's a nerve-wracking job, because even if you're a trained actor who's got lots of experience on stage and screen, you can never really be sure if what you're doing is any good, bad, or indifferent, in order to gauge how well you are doing and correct your problems, if any. A good performance with rave reviews and lots of box office receipts doesn't mean you're going to have a good career ahead of you. This means that your career isn't based so much on how good you are, so you have no real control over how your career turns out, because producers may not choose you for a part for reasons that have nothing to do with you personally, or how well you perform.
          I'm sure a lot of actors who would be given a seven year stint on a show would be glad to have it, and count their blessings. But, they have to think past that last year, and in fact, they always have to be ready to jump ship in case they get better offers. That's what their agents are for.
          Range, in my opinion, is overrated, especially if you're talking about film and television. For that kind of market, most producers aren't looking for range. They're looking for an image, a face, a persona, something that might put butts in the theaters, or cause people to tune into the show. Stage productions, on the other hand, is looking for range. Hollywood producers don't care about range, they care about what the audience liked before, and often because of that you'll see actors like Tom Hanks play characters that are roughly the same as the other characters he's played before, with slight variations. Sure, he's shown off his range in Forrest Gump, The Terminal, and Cast Away, but by and large he's also known as the modern Jimmy Stewart, an actor who plays very straight-forward roles that convey a certain sense of seriousness that he developed over the years.
          Typecasting may be a part of why they don't see to much work again after a show, but there are a lot of other reasons that have nothing to do with the actors themselves. Mostly it's competition and age. As an actor gets older, if he's not A-List, he's going to find it harder to compete with the newer faces coming up, who are often more dynamic. It's usually younger people from the 18-34 demographic who watch the most TV and movies, so that makes it harder for older actors to land leads as they used to.

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            cjh8504 — 9 years ago(August 13, 2016 04:07 PM)

            TNG was never in the fear of being cancelled. I never heard that. The ratings were too stellar.
            X-Men: Apocalypse 8/10. TMNT: Out of the Shadows 9/10. RIP Doris Roberts. You were wonderful in ELR.

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              everymanaking6488 — 9 years ago(August 13, 2016 10:10 PM)

              imagine if they had gone on to say 9 or 10 seasons, how might that have effected the jump to the big screen i wonder

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                bjlevine — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 11:09 AM)

                In the case of TNG, there was no network. The show was syndicated. Paramount did want to continue making Trek movies, but they were a little leery about whether audiences who had just had 7 years of TNG would go for a feature movie, hence the crossover concept.
                In retrospect, it probably would have been better to wait a couple of years and then do a TNG only movie, but that would have made it a 5 year gap between films.
                DS9 was also syndicated. Voyager and Enterprise were aired on UPN. Voyager was the anchor show for UPN (as Phase II was intended to be for the Paramount Network), which may explain it's 7 year run. Enterprise was cancelled in 2005 after 4 seasons, and UPN went off the air in 2006. Most people think it's last season was it's best.
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                  everymanaking6488 — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 09:44 PM)

                  do you guys know the ratings for Voyager as the show went on. I saw that it got 23 million for its debut episode. Which would have been huge for UPN or any network in the mid 90s

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                    memayse1701 — 9 years ago(August 12, 2016 08:32 PM)

                    They were busy with the other shows and obviously running out of steam in season 7. Plus they couldn't wait to get it on the big screen. GENERATIONS was terrible.

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                      cjh8504 — 9 years ago(August 13, 2016 04:08 PM)

                      Generations wasn't terrible. However,i would've preferred an 8th season.
                      X-Men: Apocalypse 8/10. TMNT: Out of the Shadows 9/10. RIP Doris Roberts. You were wonderful in ELR.

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                        everymanaking6488 — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 10:32 AM)

                        were the cast interested in doing an 8th season as opposed to doing Generations?
                        just curious

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                          cjh8504 — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 05:42 PM)

                          They were actually. They were all signed up for an 8th Season, as a matter of fact. But, they decided to, what with DS9 and VOYAGER on the horizon, to have three Trek shows at once was a little over kill, I guess.
                          X-Men: Apocalypse 8/10. TMNT: Out of the Shadows 9/10. RIP Doris Roberts. You were wonderful in ELR.

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                            everymanaking6488 — 9 years ago(August 15, 2016 02:48 PM)

                            Smart thinking on their part.

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                              cjh8504 — 9 years ago(August 15, 2016 05:19 PM)

                              Well, they could've postponed VOY. TNG was still very popular. I would've rather seen an 8th season of TNG than the movies.
                              X-Men: Apocalypse 8/10. TMNT: Out of the Shadows 9/10. RIP Doris Roberts. You were wonderful in ELR.

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                                everymanaking6488 — 9 years ago(August 15, 2016 06:31 PM)

                                I'm guessing the studio was ST mad in the early 90s and wished to continue the dominance (whether it be films or spin-offs).
                                Good decision for them to have included Worf on ds9

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                                  cjh8504 — 9 years ago(August 16, 2016 09:50 PM)

                                  He probably bumped it up a star.
                                  X-Men: Apocalypse 8/10. TMNT: Out of the Shadows 9/10. RIP Doris Roberts. You were wonderful in ELR.

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                                    Nakitaakita-1 — 9 years ago(August 15, 2016 07:14 PM)

                                    I was just going to watch one of the movies but my stupid DVD player ducks. I have to get a new one ASAP.
                                    I was going to watch some of season 3, but I put the disc in and realized that instill remembered the episodes too well.
                                    I guess I have to stay with Don Matteo for a few more years.
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                                      bjlevine — 9 years ago(August 16, 2016 07:14 AM)

                                      Wouldn't have worked. TNG was syndicated. Voyager was going to be the anchor show for the new UPN network.
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                                        Nexus71 — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 08:46 AM)

                                        Because of the bible it says there will be seven fat years and then seven meagre years so they had the fat years with TNG and they were not going to risk for seven meagre years with Star Trek until they released VOY.

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                                          cjh8504 — 9 years ago(August 14, 2016 05:39 PM)

                                          And DS9, Nex. People seem to like it now, but it's not like it was setting the world on fire like TNG was.
                                          X-Men: Apocalypse 8/10. TMNT: Out of the Shadows 9/10. RIP Doris Roberts. You were wonderful in ELR.

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