Ban The Sale Of Beer
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sternn01 — 16 years ago(January 26, 2010 02:27 PM)
I'm not denying that these addictions are real problems for some, but I refuse to believe that they are a disease. How do you explain all the people who have kicked their alcohol/drug dependencies?
It has been proven, over and over again that people can and have beaten their addictions, without the aid of medicine, etc. They did it on sheer will power, because they were tired of living that way. Support groups only go so far.
I guess I just like to view human beings as more than just a mindless mass of flesh who can't control their urges or behaviors. This world would be a better place if people chose to rise above their depravities and addictions, rather than wallow in them.
But, to each his ownand woe to the addicted out there who come to you for help.
Sola Scriptura/Sola Gratia/Sola Fide/Solus Christus -
spamthis67 — 16 years ago(March 18, 2010 04:45 AM)
"But, to each his ownand woe to the addicted out there who come to you for help."
Right on, brother (sister?). laxpv30, although sternn01 may (or may not) have ever had to beat an addiction, how about Jack Trimpey? The guy got sloshed every day for at least 20 years, was in and out of support groups with no end in sight for his so called "disease". One day he finally decided that enough was enough and that he was NEVER going to drink again and NEVER change his mind! Do you know what happened after that? He's remained abstinent ever since and set up a NEW method of addiction recovery which actually works instead of keeping people addicted like the 12 Steps do. For more information, check out his web site
http://www.rational.org
and click on "Recover Now". By the way, laxpv30, Bill Wilson, founder of AA, asked his wife for a bottle of whiskey on his deathbed. Real great "recovery" system there L8r. -
laxpv30 — 14 years ago(October 28, 2011 01:33 PM)
I know this thread is way old but this requires a response, I never said there aren't other ways of kicking this disease but the persons you described used a method to help himself he didn't stop cold turkey, some people need self help groups, secound go scre yourself you self entitled twat.
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GetOffMyLawn — 10 years ago(December 23, 2015 04:16 PM)
The DISEASE of addiction is something that you are born with.
You are not born being an acholic or an addict. Drinking/drugs is a choice which turns into a habit. An actual disease you were born with is something you can't help. If you believe that addiction is something that's predetermined, that means free will doesn't exist. -
hodie — 15 years ago(May 17, 2010 07:08 PM)
Alcoholism is NOT a disease - it's a choice.
I bet you think the same thing about sexual orientation, huh?
Alcoholism is most certainly a medical disorder, one of the symptoms of which is distorted perception as the alcoholic's imperative increasingly becomes feeding the addiction by drinking more and more. Treatment for alcoholism is covered under many medical plans.
Alcoholism is more prevalent among certain groups of people, and there seems to be a genetic component.
People don't choose to be alcoholics any more than they choose to become diabetic as adults. In both cases the disease can be managed with behavioral changes. But they never "go away".
And falcon is right about the dangers of enlisting the government to prevent people from things they should have a right to do "for their own good." Life is full of risk, and we should accept that and act accordingly instead of giving up even more of the liberty we still have left.
I cannot safely drink. I manage that by staying abstinent. But that doesn't mean no one else should be able to drink.
All Prohibition accomplished in the States was the enormous growth of organized crime there.
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sternn01 — 15 years ago(June 02, 2010 11:32 AM)
Yes it is a choicesaying things like "there seems to be a genetic component"is exactly my point. The point is that calling alcohol or drug abuse a disease takes away from the individual the respect for his or her ability to choose. Every behavior we have is somehow tied to genetics and the brain. That doesnt make it a disease unless the individual has no choice. Alzheimer s disease gives you no choice. Multiple sclerosis gives you no choice. Alcohol abuse is a choice.
The good news about calling alcohol and drug abuses diseases is that clinicians and others can reap financial rewards by charging insurance for their medical intervention.
The bad news about calling substance abuse a disease is that the individual is robbed of his real ability to exercise choice and self-control, and such labeling puts the onus on society to give that individual a pass on taking responsibility for the consequences of the addiction.
Type 2 dibetics also have a choice to reverse their condition, and many have - because in their case the pancreas can still produce insulin - and a change in lifestyle and eating habits can halt the onset. Type 1 diabetics are not in the same boat as alcoholics because their pancreas stops working to produce insulin - there is conclusive evidence of thistell me what stops working in an alcoholics case?
I applaude your efforts at remaining alcohol free, its very admirable, and proves that with enough will power we can rise above the destructive impulses we all face each day. If you are a struggling alcoholic - did you get something fixed to reverse your condition, or did you CHOOSE to stop drinking or abstain? You see - it works both ways.
Sola Scriptura/Sola Gratia/Sola Fide/Solus Christus -
laxpv30 — 14 years ago(October 29, 2011 01:39 PM)
Ofcoarse there is a choice, the choice is not to start drinking when you know that alcoholism runs in your family. Think of it a a light switch being turned on that can never be turned off. The secound CHOICE is to get help, plain and simple. It's unfortunate that many people, such as yourself, are so ignorant in this field. Oh and by the way the american medical association has declared it a disease, so unless your a doctor or neurobiologist than I sugest you keep your mouth shut.
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stevenackerman69 — 15 years ago(May 17, 2010 07:19 PM)
Alcoholism is a disease. It is an allergic reaction to liquor. There are some people that can drink socially and nothing happens to them, while to others, they become dependant on drink and cannot stop.