How stupid was Kristen's mom though?
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hurricanehorton — 11 years ago(July 10, 2014 06:58 AM)
In most of the Elm Street films, there's a theme that the adults are pretty useless when it comes to protecting their kids from Freddy.
In the first one, for example, Nancy's mother was an alcoholic who was routinely too drunk to do anything useful. Her dad didn't live with them, and was continually pouring himself into work. Nancy had to face Freddy alone. Like most of the Elm Street children. -
bartallenii — 11 years ago(July 31, 2014 11:47 AM)
Alice's dad is actually the best parent in the series. He didn't believe the truth in part 4 (and probably didn't in part 5), but the way he stood up for Alice against Dan's parents when they wanted to take her baby made him one of the best ones.
"Without management, there is only chaos."
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The_Keeper_of_Angela_Baker — 10 years ago(March 16, 2016 12:34 AM)
"Alice's dad is actually the best parent in the series."
Actually, I would argue the best parent in the series is Freddy himself. Most of the parents of the series are seriously flawed, or in other ways just complete beep to their children. Meanwhile, in the flashbacks in "Freddy's Dead", Freddy is shown doing nothing but loving Maggie for all she's worth.
In fact, in De Luca's script, Freddy had John Doe go get Maggie explicitly because he wanted to hang out with her in the dream world, but it didn't make it in.
Alice's dad is a good 'un though because he does redeem himself for his hideous behavior in 4. -
loui_b452 — 9 years ago(May 23, 2016 10:20 AM)
Y'know, The_Keeper_of_Angela_Baker.I think you have a point here.
I've always seen Mr. Johnson as being the best parent because he not only redeems himself by not drinking BUT also defends his child while other NOES parents often condemn their children. But, we also have to remember that it took him losing a son to get him to this point. His appreciation of his daughter and excitement for his coming grandson stemmed from him missing Rick.
Freddy, on the other hand, seemed to love Maggie simply because she as his. Perhaps, in a way, doing right by his daughter made him feel whole from never really having a true family while growing up. Yes, the psychological damage as already done (kids bullying him, abusive foster father, genetic predisposition to mental disorders on account of his biological father, ect) BUT Maggie was a sign that he didn't want to be this way.
So, while Mr. Johnson chose his vices and overcame them, Freddy was fighting a losing battle from the start BUT showed signs of wanting to overcome his short-comings through the love of his daughter. Meanwhile, it took Mr. Johnson losing a son to bring his clarity.
My final verdict: The two are on equal footing for "Who's the better father" if one does not take into account how the react to anything but their children. Mr. Johnson was only crappy to his kids but eventually saw the light and became a better man all around. Freddy was wonderful to his daughter but was horrible to any other child. Aaaand he attempted to kill his daughter once he lost faith in her. -
AdrianLePier — 11 years ago(September 11, 2014 07:15 AM)
There was too much of a disconnect between Kristen's mother and what was happening. I mean, yeah, all of these deaths were nonsensical and looked like the result of something elsebut by the time we get to this movie, the Freddy mythology was by now no secret and was out of the closet. I wish they had had Kristen's mother acknowledge her involvement in Krueger's death and consider the possibility that the mysterious catastrophe happening around town could be linked to him. Hell, even Marge Thompson did that. Kristen's mother came off as jaded, self-centered and basically apathetic to everythingincluding Kristen herself.
Furthermore, why does Kristen's mother even survive? Krueger seemed to not only go after the Elm Street kids, but also seemed to eventually knock off the parents at some point. I thought that was the end of her when he sliced off her head in part three, but there she was alive and fully in tact in part four.
THE TALK ASYLUMComing in September!
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patrick_bateman_90056 — 9 years ago(April 04, 2016 06:45 PM)
I liked the explanation that Brooke Bundy had in the "Never Sleep Again" documentary, that Elaine was so emotionally disturbed by Freddy's death that she completely distanced herself from pretty much anything that reminded her of it, leading up to the dissolve of her family. Even Heather Langenkamp said she can't imagine what it would feel like to have the blood of someone on your hands, even someone as reprehensible as Freddy Krueger.