Inferior to the first film?
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!!!deleted!!! (9347176) — 10 years ago(March 08, 2016 11:58 AM)
BTTF2 had its moments, some better than any in BTTF and most of the film was better than BTTF3, altogether.
IMHO the best parts of BTTF2 occur in 1985a. Obviously influenced by the dystopian L.A. in
Blade Runner
, Hell Valley was just fantastic. From the casino built on top of the courthouse to the scene in the cemetery, it's my favorite part of any of the BTTF films. The only aspect of this segment of the film that I don't believe works all that well is Alan Silvestri's scoring. It was a touch too bombastic and melodramatic for my tastes.
I actually wish that more of the film had been spent there, versus in 2015. Especially now that we know that the actual 2015 looked nothing like the version in the film.
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pooka5472 — 10 years ago(March 16, 2016 08:55 PM)
I disagree. IMO, 1985A in Part II was just nothing more than a cheap take that against Crispin Glover, all because the producers were too mad at him over his salary demands. I can understand that he was too big for his britches, but please don't take out the anger on the character and ruin it for the fans.
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!!!deleted!!! (9347176) — 10 years ago(March 18, 2016 10:02 AM)
1985A in Part II was just nothing more than a cheap take that against Crispin Glover
You mean George's murder at the hands of Biff in 1973a? How would that ruin the character for the fans? He didn't stay dead because that timeline was overwritten and replaced, anyway. There are also several versions of the story behind Glover not returning to film BTTF2, both from Glover and from the Bobs. I think that the real cheap shot was hiring a stand-in to film George's scenes in that inversion hover device and in the "back to 1955" sequences at the Enchantment Under the Sea dance.
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pooka5472 — 10 years ago(March 18, 2016 04:38 PM)
Apparently you've never heard of the McLeaned trope, in which a character is killed off of a movie or TV show in a brutal fashion when the actor and the producers have vehement disagreements. When that trope happens, it is a cheap take that. Also, unless Glover's claims have been properly corroborated, we can't just accept them as fact.
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!!!deleted!!! (9347176) — 10 years ago(March 24, 2016 12:21 PM)
Apparently you've never heard of the McLeaned trope
I've heard of the concept and I know this happens in Hollywood but I had no idea that it had a name attributed to it in any way.
In this case, neither party's claims about what happened can be accepted as fact because there is no supporting, legally binding documentation in either case. Zemeckis and Gale say one thing, Glover says another and that's that.
You can certainly choose to interpret the re-casting of George McFly as a cheap shot on Glover by the Bobs but that doesn't make it any more fact than my choosing not to interpret it that way. I'm sure that, had Glover and the Bobs not had a falling out, the script would have been written very differently. Glover is known to be eccentric, both as a filmmaker and as a human being, so what he says should probably be taken with a grain of salt. The Bobs are also protecting their own interests, so their take on the re-casting should also not be considered gospel. The truth lies somewhere in the middle.
The fact of the matter is, the fallout happened, George's role was marginalized and Lorraine given more to do, and that's pretty much it.
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Monk_Drunk — 10 years ago(March 02, 2016 02:53 AM)
About the premise of Doc coming back for him: I can kind of buy it because they were only supposed to be changing one aspect of the future (his kids not going to jail), whereas if Marty had his way, it would have entailed changing history - as was indeed the case with Biff - and thus the whole future as well.
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edlitz36 — 9 years ago(April 16, 2016 05:12 PM)
Agree with everything you posted. I HATE the BTTF sequels. Baffles my mind how people can rate these films as highly as the near-masterpiece that is the original. Really gotta question their judgment.
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Kotter7579 — 9 years ago(January 28, 2017 10:22 PM)
We didn't need to see the entire part where Doc dances in the street after sending Marty back to 1985 (in the end of part 1). Instead we have to see yet again a scene where a character is confused and surprised to see a person from another time. It got old very fast
I totally get what you're saying. I think the only thing to remember is that when people first saw part II in 1989, it had been four years since the theatrical release of the first movie. Many people did see the first film on home video in 1986 and after, but for the many people who saw the sequel and maybe hadn't had multiple viewings on VHS, then it was helpful to see a scene like this again. We are spoiled now with constant DVD viewings back to back off all 3 if we want!
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