Was the mother wrong to disown him after his emotional outburst
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flybynight-3 — 14 years ago(January 26, 2012 11:05 PM)
What's ignorant is assuming I'm American when I can assure you I'm not.
People such as yourself who use words like "enlightenment" are exactly what this movie is protesting. Outdated conservative values. I think society has come to a point where we should be able to reflect on our beliefs and stop being spoon fed ideas and beliefs from others Because I assure you, had your parents not just told you that Christianity is the only right thing, and you actually did some searching for yourself, you would realize how outrageous it is.
"Blind men in the market buying what we're sold". I'm sorry your life's been wasted on an outdated belief system.
I could give less off a sh*t if anyone believes what I believe but they should believe in what they find themselves, and not what a bunch of cult members (Yes, organized religion is by definition a cult) tell them.
"How many times do swallow our ambition?"
-Neil Peart -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 26, 2012 11:14 PM)
There's literally not one single reason for anyone to believe in what you are telling them. You think religion is a cult and bla bla? No one cares. That's the point. You believe it, christians don't. They don't act based on your logic, your standards, your beliefs, your way of life. People like you who want to impose their views on other people are on a whole different level of ignorance. BTW, I am NOT a christian, but I'm ENLIGHTENED enough to know that I'm no one to tell anyone how to live their lives, especially when they are not affecting other people's lives. A family's beliefs and traditions are their own, not yours or mine to change. Christians truly believe 100% there is a God, and they abide by His rules. You are no one to tell them otherwise. I hate dumb people like you who think their dumb beliefs should be forced into everyone else.
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flybynight-3 — 14 years ago(January 26, 2012 11:58 PM)
It's funny because you seem to think you aren't imposing your opinions on anyone when you started this whole thing by accusing someone who had an opinion different from yours of being "an ashole", so I don't know why you feel you get some sort of special say in telling people how to conduct themselves Actually, I do know why. It's because you believe YOU are right and others are wrong.
Ironic isn't it? If you want to be a hypocrite, so be it, but don't be surprised when you come off as an ashole yourself.
"How many times do swallow our ambition?"
-Neil Peart -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 12:45 AM)
Oh, excuse me young lady, but when your belief is that everyone else should live the way YOU live, then you are not someone to take seriously or even to treat with respect. The difference between the view I'm "imposing" and yours, is that my view expresses respect for different cultures, whereas you are trying to force people into believing in what you believe in.
By your logic, we should end with all of world's diversity. Why have different cultures, religions or custom in the world at all? Let's all just live by your standards, because of course, your views on life are superior, non-negotiable, factual and other nonsense like that. How freakin' dumb. You should go to a "tolerance, equality and diversity" seminar or something, so that they can bitch slap you out of your dumb intolerant ways.
I'm a hypocrite because I want you to respect human beings with different views than yours? Well, I'd rather be that than an uneducated ignorant such as you. -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 11:54 AM)
I like to take people out of their mistakes. If you don't like discussions maybe imdb is just not the place for you. Oh wait, after seeing your ignore list, I just realized you just don't like arguments. You love people who agree with you. You have half of imdb on your ignore list. I think you are the one who should take a time off IMDB.
I'll put you on ignore, just because it's the same thing you love to do and I don't care about your opinion. This is your Ignore List btw (and you are the one telling me IMDB is not for me, for Christ's sake):
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flybynight-3 — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 12:45 PM)
Your "argument" continues to be "I'm right and you're wrong" and for no reason. You're claiming I'm imposing my ideals on people when I'm not. All I've done is tell you not to impose yours on people you are literally saying "People can believe in whatever they want, but if they don't believe in what I believe they are wrong".
"I like to take people out of their mistakes". Well done! Aren't you a true altruist. Take your conservative values and shove them up your as*.
Also, what does his ignore list have anything at all to do with you arguing with people? What have you accomplished by publicizing his ignore list?
"How many times do swallow our ambition?"
-Neil Peart -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 01:08 PM)
My argument is right because I respect other beliefs and cultures. Your argument is not only wrong, but absolutely dumb and retrogade because you want people to live the way you want them to live. Just because I respect other beliefs, that doesn't mean that I'll let you insult me, my beliefs, or other people's. There's a difference between respecting your belief and just plain letting you insult everyone who thinks different from you. And btw, a religion is not the exact same as a cult.
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Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 01:55 PM)
Okay, maybe I need to take you out of certain misconceptions.
You called me an hypocrite because I called neko-neko-1 an asshle? Really? What belief of his is the one I'm disrespecting? The belief that a christian is a bitch for believing in her christian beliefs? Shouldn't I answer in the same disrespectful manner? Also, you want me to respect your opinion that people should live the way you live, think the way you think, use your standards and logic and whatnot?
For some reason you seem to believe that respecting other cultures involves letting people insult you, well, I'm sorry, but respecting other's opinions is not the same as letting people fck you. I'm sure we can find something in between and that is this: I respect people as long as they respect other people. I respect beliefs systems as long as they aren't harmful to others. As I said, I won't turn my other cheek because your belief is that I'm stupid. If your belief is that people should be atheists because you are, or that people should be democrats because you are, or that people should be whatever the hell you want them to be, then let me tell you this: eff you.
There are numerous examples of beliefs I can't respect, because they are harmful or disrespectful to others. One example is your own belief that christians are stupid because they believe in something you don't, another example is NAMBLA's belief that boys should be able to get "effed" by older men.
Now, where do I draw the line? As I said, if your belief system directly harms or disrepects other people's, then that's where most people say EFF YOU. -
flybynight-3 — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 03:34 PM)
What the hell are you even talking about?
I ask you to quote me when I said "that people should live the way you live, think the way you think, use your standards and logic and whatnot?". Because I'm pretty sure I never said that.
Also what the hell does someone I've never heard of saying something completely irrelevant have to do with anything?
Are you mad because I called organized religion a cult? Because, by definition, that is exactly what it is, so I'm not sure what your argument is Is your argument with the dictionary?
Also, you keep saying that you respect other people's opinions, but you just compared my opinion to old men fuc*ing boys Why is that relevant at all?
"How many times do swallow our ambition?"
-Neil Peart -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 06:52 PM)
I'm guessing you don't have any kind of analytical ability if you missed my point, so I'll try to level with you: I'm replying to your stupid argument that it's ironic that I'm being disrespectful with you people, just because I'm defending myself from your insults. That's why I explained to you that I can respect people's beliefs as long as they are not insulting or harmful. You keep telling me that it's ironic that I'm saying that I respect other beliefs, but I'm not respecting yours or the othe poster's, bla, bla, well, get this into your head: I don't respect you or the guy who call the mother a bitch, because you are not being respectful.
This right here is the problem:
"You think she was right to put some made up cult icon above her own son?
That makes you an idiot."
I don't care if you are an atheist. I'm an atheist myself, but when the other sshole called the mother a bitch for following her beliefs, and when you called me an idiot for telling the OP what the christian beliefs are, you simply lost my respect.
I respect beliefs, but if you insult me I'll insult you back, simple as that. My understanding that you believe people should think like you comes from what you said that a mother shouldn't put his son over a "made up cult icon". It may be made up to you, but not to a christian, so it is absolutely irrelevant what YOU think about God, as long as christians believe in him we should respect their customs. -
flybynight-3 — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 08:41 PM)
I maybe misunderstood your argument and thought you were defending the concept of any belief system supporting disowning your child.
But I do think you are being hypocritical in terms of deciding right and wrong As am I, as was the poster who called her a btch, as perhaps was the aforementioned individual.
And perhaps we are arguing different things. I'm arguing that no matter your beliefs, you shouldn't disown your child, because there is no belief system where that's okay
Perhaps I'm not being respectful but I should be able to be honest and I will continue to be
And yes, I am an ashole and I am fully aware. I know that calling people's religion a cult is an as*hole move but under the circumstances of the argument, I don't think I'm any more wrong in doing so than anyone who supports the disowning of one's son.
But I digress You are being a hypocrite, I'm sorry but it's true. I'm being a hypocrite as well and likewise with other fellows. Regardless, I don't think that reflects my analytical ability, because there is nothing wrong with my analytical ability.
Nothing is being solved by arguing and neither of us is going to make the other change their minds so perhaps we can be gentlemen and end the debate.
"How many times do swallow our ambition?"
-Neil Peart -
Tales-from-the-Goondocks — 14 years ago(January 27, 2012 08:52 PM)
As I said, if you had told me "I don't think any belief system should support disowning a child", that's an opinion I can respect and even share, but why should I blame a christian mother for doing what she did? They are 100% convinced that God exists, it doesn't matter what we believe, and when her own child is insulting He who, according to their beliefs, gave us everything we have on life, including life itself, well, let me just say that I perfectly understand why she would disown him, even if I don't believe in what she's doing. I still can't agree that I'm being a hypocrite, since my defensive position wasn't an answer to you disagreement with the mother or me, but rather because you and the other poster started your argument with insults. But it's okay, let's just put an end to this argument, although I think we understood each other rather well on these last posts.
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eddieinportland — 13 years ago(April 26, 2012 07:34 PM)
Yes his mother was wrong in disowning him. She rasied her kids with good christain values. She wanted Ron to go to confession for having a Playboy. When Ron joined the Marines and was going to Vietnam. She told him it was God's will that he was going. When he returned as a cripple. Was that God's will?
As Ron pointed out to her in his drunk outburst. She raised him with christain values. But she had no problem with him going of to a far away land and kill people. Is that good christain values? If she rasied Ron with christain values, then she should have told him that fighting in a war is against his christain upbringing.
I kind of got the feeling that she had wished that Ronnie was killed in battle and not come home as a cripple. Then she could have said that Ronnie died as a good christain doing God's will. But the lord sent her son home. And everyday she would have to look at him and see what the lord did to him. I also kind of got the feeling that Ronnie's mother looked at him as a dirty secret the family should hide. After all his mother knew that her son had killed other people. But she didn't want to hear about it.
Hell the parents of the Marine that Ron killed were more loving, caring and understanding of Ronnie then his mother was. Ron was telling them that he killed their son. And the father told Ron that he didn't have to say what he was saying, and he forgave Ronnie.
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sonofbeach-sheet — 13 years ago(May 05, 2012 11:26 AM)
I just remembered also when Ron was returning home, his mother looked outside the window at him in disappointment, but then she put on a show a minute later when she came out to welcome him home
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isundling — 13 years ago(June 10, 2012 02:31 PM)
Take away the religion, and there was still such a generation gap about that war..all the wars the US had fought in before, we were the good guys and we won those warsVietnam was a terrible mistake, and all those young men and women died for nothingthe other night I watched a doc on the last days of Vietnam, and the helicopter leaving all those people behind, the ones the army had hired as translators, spies, and embassy help, certain torture and death ahead.so sad..
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TC-LeonK — 13 years ago(July 06, 2012 10:16 PM)
Ron's mother was ashamed of him for not being able to return to Vietnam due to his paralysis, she also didn't show maternal love towards him when he was in the hospital knowing that he needed his family to be by his side. She was a hypocrite for preaching about God when she didn't mind having her child going to a distant country and kill other people's children.
It was good that Ron had lashed out at his mother for her strict religious beliefs that cost him his legs and manhood. His drunken tantrum was a cry for help, his father was the only one who cared for him.
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TC-LeonK — 13 years ago(July 10, 2012 10:38 AM)
When Ron returned home, his mother was the last person to greet him and kept looking at the neighbors to see their reaction. She didn't look like the type of a caring and concerned mother.
"I'll see you in another life, when we are both cats." By Tom Cruise in Vanilla Sky.