The Mickey Mouse joke says a lot
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Tectash — 9 years ago(July 13, 2016 12:19 PM)
The fight choreography is a nitpick because it is so incredibly easy to miss, I didn't even notice it until a youtube video pointed it out to me and it has absolutely nothing to do with the story. The Mickey Mouse joke furthers the campy, childish tone of the film and if you even bother to read my responses I have a lot more problems with Last Crusade than the Mickey Mouse joke. You do not have objective proof that the fall was a "flaw", I debunked that long ago.
You did not debunk anything. You simply in your deluded mind think you raised reasonable doubt. Even if you did raise reasonable doubt that does not debunk my criticism. If you debunked it that would mean you proved me wrong beyond the shadow of a doubt. Raising reasonable doubt does not do that. Also I know your other issues with the last crusade but you constantly harp on the Mickey Mouse joke. I noticed the fight choreography my first time watching it. Simply because you did not notice it does not negate my complaint. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 13, 2016 04:07 PM)
I did debunk it, I provided a legitimate reason why it may not be a "flaw", the ball is now in your court to provide an interview with Nolan or the stuntman to refute my claim. I don't need to prove you wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, since you are the one who raised this complaints about TDKR you do have to prove yourself right beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Ball is in your court, I'm waiting..
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Tectash — 9 years ago(July 13, 2016 06:50 PM)
I did debunk it, I provided a legitimate reason why it may not be a "flaw", the ball is now in your court to provide an interview with Nolan or the stuntman to refute my claim. I don't need to prove you wrong beyond a shadow of a doubt, since you are the one who raised this complaints about TDKR you do have to prove yourself right beyond a shadow of a doubt.
Debunking it would be if you proved me wrong beyond the shadow of a doubt. You did not. You provided reasonable doubt. That does not mean my point was completely refuted. I can still talk about it without being completely off base. Could you argue it sure but you did not prove anything. Proof and reasonable doubt are not the same thing. Also why do I need to provide an interview with Nolan and the stuntman? That is some BS stipulation you made up. Even if that interview did exist you would deny it don't lie. I already know what your exact response would be if the interview existed. You would say yeah well it still is nothing other than a nitpick.
Ball is in your court, I'm waiting..
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 02:24 PM)
No I debunked it because I prevented you from proving your case. I never had to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, YOU did and I stopped you. The day that you find the interview with Nolan or the stuntman (or find some other way of proving it) then the case will be re-opened for discussion.
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Tectash — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 02:43 PM)
No I debunked it because I prevented you from proving your case. I never had to prove it beyond a shadow of a doubt, YOU did and I stopped you. The day that you find the interview with Nolan or the stuntman (or find some other way of proving it) then the case will be re-opened for discussion.
Here is your proof.
http://www.imdb.com/board/11345836/trivia?tab=gf&
Here are the goofs listed in regards to the choreography. Underneath revealing mistakes.
One of Bane's mercenaries (on the far left of the rooftop fight scene with Catwoman and Batman right after it shows Daggett) falls down without being hit.
In the final fight sequence, when Bane sees Batman and starts his speech, two people fighting behind him clearly aren't connecting with the punches.
Many instances of Bane's henchman attacking one at a time and not reacting at all when being ambushed.
When Batman saves Blake from the ambush by Christopher Judge's character, he fights the henchmen. The guy to the very left never even encounters him yet is flown backwards and falls down as if he was attacked by Batman.
All of those are listed and none of those are under the incorrectly regarded as goofs section so do not even try that one. The movie is 4 years old apparently no one has debunked all those things being flaws. There is your proof case closed. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 03:23 PM)
Oh poor little techtash, ANYONE can submit whatever they want and it will get published, it's not exactly a reliable source. In the trivia section for TDKR it says that if Ledger hadn't died the movie would have focused on the Joker's trial, that is impossible because when Ledger died Nolan had NO PLANS AT ALL to do a third film, he was focused on Inception.
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Tectash — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 03:36 PM)
Oh it's perfectly reliable and it is listed underneath the goof section. If it could be debunked it would be listed underneath the incorrectly regarded as goofs section. It is not and has been out for 4 years. I think by now it's safe to assume it wont be debunked lol.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 03:41 PM)
Or maybe barely anyone reads it, plus you can't just go into the goofs section and delete whatever you want to. Sorry but not a reliable source.
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Tectash — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 03:43 PM)
Or maybe barely anyone reads it, plus you can't just go into the goofs section and delete whatever you want to. Sorry but not a reliable source.
Have any proof barely anyone reads it? Also again if it was debunked it would be under the incorrectly regarded as goofs section but it isn't lol. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 03:45 PM)
I don't need proof that barely anyone reads it, I do have proof that anyone can submit whatever they want and I have proof that false information is in the IMDB database, that's enough to debunk your claim.
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Tectash — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 03:46 PM)
I don't need proof that barely anyone reads it, I do have proof that anyone can submit whatever they want and I have proof that false information is in the IMDB database, that's enough to debunk your claim.
Much like wikipedia if it is false it will get taken down. The movie is four years old and those flaws still have not been debunked. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 03:48 PM)
Actually you have not provided sufficient evidence. I have proven that IMDB is not a reliable source. I might also point out that your same source says that Reginald Vel Johnson is an "avid marathon runner"
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Tectash — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 03:51 PM)
Actually you have not provided sufficient evidence. I have proven that IMDB is not a reliable source.
Funny seemed pretty reliable when you were boasting about TDKR spot on the top 250. Now that it does not support your claim it is deemed as unreliable. I believe it is reliable. You said look at any movie and it has a goof in the imdb section proving that every movie is flawed. Well if that proves that every film is flawed than I just proved TDKR is flawed lol. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 03:53 PM)
By your logic TDKR was "flawed" because it had minor technical errors like a guy falling down too early (which I am still not convinced is a "flaw" but it's beside the point), since you were not able to name a movie that doesn't have a single technical error then therefore TDKR is no more "flawed" than any other movie.
And the rating system was voted on by the fans, does it prove which movies are better? No, but according to IMDB TDKR is the 62nd greatest film of all time, take it for what you will.
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Tectash — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 04:02 PM)
By your logic TDKR was "flawed" because it had minor technical errors like a guy falling down too early (which I am still not convinced is a "flaw" but it's beside the point), since you were not able to name a movie that doesn't have a single technical error then therefore TDKR is no more "flawed" than any other movie.
So because other films have flaws that negates TDKR from being criticized? Whenever someone criticizes the film you say that. Just because another film has flaws does not automatically make the flaws in another film disappear.
And the rating system was voted on by the fans, does it prove which movies are better? No, but according to IMDB TDKR is the 62nd greatest film of all time, take it for what you will.
So when other people dislike TDKR why is it you shove the imdb rating in their face? You hate the last crusade and that also made the top 250. When I said I liked Batman Begins better you go just so you know TDKR has better ratings. Why say that? Do you not think I know that? Django Unchained beat TDKR on imdb, oscars, MC, and tied it on RT. However you have every right to prefer TDKR over it. My point is do not shove the ratings in people's faces to further your agenda when you do not like it being done to you. If you can not take it do not dish it out. -
The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 04:21 PM)
So because other films have flaws that negates TDKR from being criticized? Whenever someone criticizes the film you say that. Just because another film has flaws does not automatically make the flaws in another film disappear.
I don't see people spamming other boards with similar nit picks. The point I was making is TDKR is unfairly bashed.
So when other people dislike TDKR why is it you shove the imdb rating in their face?
Because clearly other people liked it like I did. It's an objective fact that TDKR is #62 on IMDB.
You hate the last crusade and that also made the top 250.
It's also a fact that it's ranked #101, I still don't like it.
My point is do not shove the ratings in people's faces to further your agenda when you do not like it being done to you.
I have never shoved ratings in anyones face, I have never said that a film was objectively good because it has good ratings. I used it in threads such as "obviously this film is a disappointment", it's not obviously a disappointment because clearly the film is loved by a very large group of people.
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Tectash — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 04:29 PM)
I don't see people spamming other boards with similar nit picks. The point I was making is TDKR is unfairly bashed.
Whenever someone lists any flaw with TDKR it gets labeled by you as a nitpick. The sun going down to early for instance you labeled as a nitpick. Here is the thing I have no problem with you having that mentality but for other films you dislike I have seen you nitpick them. The reason you do not accept criticisms of TDKR is because you like the film and you are biased.
Because clearly other people liked it like I did. It's an objective fact that TDKR is #62 on IMDB.
And clearly other people love Star Wars the force awakens. It is a fact that it is 141 on imdb's top 250.
It's also a fact that it's ranked #101, I still don't like it.
You do not have to like it. Point I am making is others do not have to like TDKR simply because it is 62 on the top 250.
I have never shoved ratings in anyones face, I have never said that a film was objectively good because it has good ratings. I used it in threads such as "obviously this film is a disappointment", it's not obviously a disappointment because clearly the film is loved by a very large group of people.
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The_Ultimate_Hippo — 9 years ago(July 14, 2016 05:59 PM)
That's because they are nit picks, that's because no one would give any other film that level of scrutiny. Seriously, the sun going down too quickly? Obviously whoever bitches about that doesn't understand the deep emotional character development and story so they focus on trivial things.
People can love Force Awakens all they want, good for them, that doesn't change my opinion, it was the most disappointing theater experience I have ever had and plenty of people with me agreed with me.
You don't have to like TDKR either, just a little advice though if you are going to bitch and moan about things like the sun going down too quickly you don't come across as intelligent, you don't come across as someone who understands the movie, you come across as a whiny brat who is looking for things to complain about.
I never shoved ratings in your face, I used it to debunk statements like "obviously this film is a disappointment"
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